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Pāṇini defines gotra as apatyam pautra prabhrti gotram (IV. 1. 162), which means "the word gotra denotes the descendance (or descendants), apatya, of a couple consisting of a pautra, a son and a bharti, a mother, i.e. a daughter-in-law." When a person says "I am Vipparla-gotra", he means that he traces his descent to the ancient sage Vipparla by an unbroken male descent. @According to the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad 2.2.4, Kashyapa, Atri, Vasistha, Vishvamitra, Gautama Maharishi, Jamadagni and Bharadvaja are seven sages (also known as saptarshis) and Jambu Maharishi is another sage (also known as Renuka, who belongs to Kashyapa). The progeny of these eight sages are declared to be gotras. This enumeration of seven primary & one secondary gotra seems to have been known to Pāṇini. The offspring (apatya) of these seven are gotras and others than these are called gotrāvayava. One who follows the system defined by three sages defines himself as Tri-a-Vishay. Similarly, for five sages, it is Pancha-Vishay, and for seven sages, it is Santa-Vishay. There exists another theory about gotra: sons and disciples of a sage would have the same gotra; it is believed that they possess similar thoughts and philosophies. People of the same gotra can be found across different castes. Each gotra comprises pravaras. A Origins As a Rigvedic terms, gotra simply means "forward moving descendants".[ Saraswati, Swami Dayanand (2010). Rigvedadi-Bhashya-Bhumika. Vijaykumar Govindram Hasanand. p. 199. ISBN 978-8170771296. ] (गौः) गमन करनेवाली means forward moving and (त्र:) stands for Offspring. Chandogya Upanishad) interpreted meaning shows as “These "lineages" as they developed among the Brahmins of that time meant patrilineal descent. The Brahmanic system was later adopted by other communities, such as the Kshatriyas and Vaishyas ( encyclopedia Britannica). All members of a particular gotra are believed to possess certain common characteristics by way of nature or profession. Many theories have been propounded to explain this system. According to the Vedic theories, the Brahmins are direct descendants of seven sages who are believed to be the sons of Brahma, born out of his mind through yogic @ prowess. They are (1) Atri, (2) Bharadvaja, (3) Gautama Maharishi, (4) Jamadagni, (5) Kashyapa, (6) Vasishta and (7) Vishvamitra. To this list, Agastya is also sometimes added. These eight sages are called gotrakarins, from whom all 108 gotras (especially of the Brahmins) have evolved. For instance, from Atri sprang the Atreya and Gavisthiras gotras. MANY APEX COURT DECISIONS HAD RENDERED THESE EXPLANATIONS ON GOTRA. There is no harm in Sagotra marriage if the individuals are not related for six generations on both maternal and paternal sides. This is expressed in chapter 5 of Manu smriti in mantra 60, which states, सपिण्डता तु पुरुषे सप्तमे विनिवर्तते । समानोदकभावस्तु जन्मनाम्नोरवेदने, which means that sapinda ends after seven generations. Section 5(v) of Hindu Marriage Act 1955 also prohibits Sapinda relationship but there is no restriction of Sagotra marriage. In the 1945 case of Madhavrao vs Raghavendra Rao, which involved a Deshastha Brahmin couple, the definition of gotra as descending from eight sages and then branching out to several families was thrown out by the Bombay High Court. The court called the idea of Brahmin families descending from an unbroken line of common ancestors as indicated by the names of their respective gotras "impossible to accept." The court consulted relevant Hindu texts and stressed the need for Hindu society and law to keep up with the times, emphasizing that notions of good social behaviour and the general ideology of the Hindu society had changed. The court also said that the material in the Hindu texts is so vast and full of contradictions that it is a near-impossible task to reduce it to order and coherence. NORTH WRITERS DO BELIEVE THAT*: “VATSA GOTRIANS* AMONG THE SARASWAT BRAHMINS Goddess Saraswati is the tutelary mother of Saraswats, Lord Brahma being their tutelary father. Lord Brahma approved all the Saraswat Brahmins to adopt their kinship based on the lineage with great sages. Accordingly, the gotras of Godddes Saraswati Brahmins is believed to be originated from the Rishis viz. ATRI, KAASHYAP, KAUNDINYA, KAUSHIK, GAUTAMA, JAMADAGNYA, BHARADWAAJ, VASISHTTH, and VISHWAMITRA (KAMSHI). But, Lord Brahma adopted some among them and called them as VATSA. Traditionally, it is also believed that the Vatsa Gotra is belongs to Jamadagni Rishi lineage. Bhargava Parashuram was the fifth son of Jamadagni Rishi (other four being Rumnnwaan, Sushenn, Vasu and Vishwaavasu). So, it is possible that because of their in borne virtues, Sage Jamadagni might have adopted Saraswat Brahmins belonging to the Vatsa Gotra. Bhargava Parashuram brought sixty-six families from ten scholarly kinsmen (DASHA-GOTRI SARASWAT BRAHMINS) from the then holy place namely TRIHOTRA for purification of the reclaimed land of Konkan. They were Atri, Kaashyap, Kaundinya, Kaushik (Kaunsa), Gautama, Jamadagnya, Bharadwaaj, Vatsa, Vasishtth, and Vishwamitra. So, Vatsa gotra was already therein as one among the ten gotras. Vatsa-Kaannva, Vatsapri-Bhaalndan and Vatsa-Agneya are known as contributors of Rig-Veda. Vatsa-Kaannva was the son of Kaannva. He contributed to the eighth 'manddal' out of 10 'manddal' of Rig-Veda. The sixth 'sukta' (incitation no. 8.6.46-48) mentions of Tirinder, who was also known as Parshwya, the king of Parshu-desh (Persia i. e. Iran). Hemadri has also made his mention. Coincidently, Hemadri belonged to Vatsa gotra. Hemadd Pandit, one of the celebrated personalities from the twelfth century and prime minister of the Deogiri Empire belonged to the Vatsa gotra. Vatsapri-Bhaalndan contributed to the ninth and tenth 'manddal' out of 10 'manddal' of Rig-Veda. The 68th sukta of the ninth and 45th and 46th sukta of the tenth 'manddal' make a mention of Pawamaan Soam and Agni. His name also surfaces in 'Panchvinsha Brahman (12.11.25) as a contributor to Sam Veda. It is known as 'Vaatspra'. His name is also referred in Taittariya Samhita ( 5.2.1.6), Kaatthak Samhita (19.12), Maitraayanni Samhita (3.2.2), and Shatapath Brahman (6.4.4.1). Vatsa-Agneya had contributed to the tenth 'manddal' of 10 of Rig-Veda, (incitation no. 10.187) eulogizing Agni. One is reminded of Vatsa-Kaannva, who too had lauded Agni. While the 96 families of Saraswat Brahmins had already left for Konkan under the leadership of Bhargava Parashuram, others were engrossed in for several centuries, in creating own domain for farming and rearing cows so as to concentrate on their normal religious activities. This lineage was so mighty that, later on, Vatsa gotrians formed one of the sixteen powerful provinces ('Janpada') in the north India on the bank of Yamuna, during the 6th century. This land was known as Vatsa.” In Rig Ved (1.31.16) deva Agni is said to create or form a rishi : इमामग्ने शरणिं मीम्र्षो न इममध्वानं यमगाम दूरात | आपिः पिता परमतिः सोम्यानां भर्मिरस्य रषिक्र्न मर्त्यानाम || Similarly Rig Ved ( 9.96.18 ) declares that soma, the Lord of Delight, creates seers : तर्तीयं धाम महिषः सिषासन सोमो विराजमनुराजति षटुप || चमूषच्छ्येनः शकुनो विभ्र्त्वा गोविन्दुर्द्रप्स आयुधानिबिभ्रत | Rig Ved (9.96.6) declares the deity Soma as the rishi among sages (“Rishir Vipranam”) : बरह्मा देवानां पदवीः कवीनां रषिर्विप्राणां महिषोम्र्गाणाम | शयेनो गर्ध्राणां सवधितिर्वनानां सोमः पवित्रमत्येति रेभन || Rig Ved (9.87.3) declares that the seer (rishi) among the sages (Vipra) leads the people (“Rishiviprah purayeta jananam”) : रषिर्विप्रः पुरेता जनानां रभुर्धीर उशना काव्येन | स चिद विवेद निहितं यदासामपीच्यं गुह्यं नाम गोनाम || A rishi is identified by two names, his own name and that of his lineage or teacher. The first Suktam of Rig Ved Samhita was revealed to Madhuchchhandah Vishwamitra , a disciple or son of Vishvamitra. The famous Gayatri Mantra ( Rig Ved 3.62.10) was revealed to Vishvamitra Gathin, i.e., Vishvamitra , son of Gatha. Panini in his Vachaspati kosam defines Rishi as “Rishati jnanena samsaraparam”- “one who crosses and reaches the other shore of the Sea of Samsara.” When the initial embryonic cell has XY chromosome, the female attributes get suppressed by the genes in the Y Chromosome and the embryo develops into a male child. Since only men have Y Chromosomes, son always gets his Y Chromosome from his father and the X Chromosome from his mother. On the other hand daughters always get their X Chromosomes, one each from both father and mother. To check facts from science So the Y Chromosome is always preserved throughout a male lineage (Father – Son – Grandson etc) because a Son always gets it from his father, while the X Chromosome is not preserved in the female lineage (Mother, Daughter, Grand Daughter etc) because it comes from both father and mother. A mother will pass either her mother’s X Chromosome to her Children or her father’s X Chromosome to her children or a combination of both because of both her X Chromosomes getting mixed (called as Crossover). On the other hand, a Son always gets his father’s Y Chromosome and that too almost intact without any changes because there is no corresponding another Y chromosome in his cells to do any mixing as his combination is XY, while that of females is XX which hence allows for mixing as both are X Chromosomes. Women never get this Y Chromosome in their body. And hence Y Chromosome plays a crucial role in modern genetics in identifying the Genealogy ie male ancestry of a person. And the Gotra system was designed to track down the root Y Chromosome of a person quite easily. If a person belongs to Angirasa Gotra, then it means that his Y Chromosome came all the way down over thousands of years of timespan from the Rishi Angirasa! And if a person belongs to a Gotra (say Bharadwaja) with Pravaras (Angirasa, Bhaarhaspatya, Bharadwaja), then it means that the person’s Y Chromosome came all the way down from Angirasa to Bhaarhaspatya to Bharadwaja to the person. {SIMILARLY, 5 AND 7 Generations} {KR DOES IT MEAN THAT ANGIRA GOTRA STOPPED BECAUSE OF DAUGHTER AND SO CHANGED TO BRHASPATYA; AND AGAIN, DAUGHTE ONLY; SO, SHIFTED TO Bhardwaj?} {KR And therefore goes up to 5 and 7 stages, by which time, a new gotra DNA is formed correct?} This also makes it clear why females are said to belong to the Gotra of their husbands after marriage. That is because women do not carry Y Chromosome, and their Sons will carry the Y Chromosome of the Father and hence the Gotra of a woman is said to be that of her husband after marriage. Senart’s theory Senart points out the close correspondence that exists between the three series of groups in Rome – gens, curia, tribes; family groups in Greece; and he family gotra and caste in India. Pursuing the subject into fuller detail, he seeks to show from the records of classical antiquity that in the department of marriage, roman gens and an Athenian group present striking resemblance to the Indian gotra. We learn from Plutarch, that the romans never married a woman of their own kin, and among the matrons who figure in classical literature, none bears the same gentile’s name as her husband. nor was endogamy unknown. At Athens in the time of Demosthenes. membership of a group was confined to the offspring of that particular group. In Rome the long struggle of plebeians to obtain the jus connubia with patrician women belongs to the same class of facts; the patricians, according to Senart, were guarding the endogamous rights of their order— If they marry a woman from humbler origins or foreigners, her children were traded as low-class people. In Rome if low class people are present in the sacrifice of gens, they are offended. In Rome the woman was transferred to the group of her husband. Brahmin women also get the gotra of her husband leaving her own gotra. SRIVATSA GOTRAM: Brugu Rishi is also known as "Bhargava" Rishi Since the lineage got originated by Brugu Rishi (aka., Bhargava), the people in this lineage belong to the "Bhargava Gothra" (dynasty or Parampara) The word 'Sri' refers to Mahalakshmi. The term 'vathsa' refers to the child. Shriman Narayanan does not have karmic life cycle of birth and death. Similarly, Mahalakshmi also don't have Karmic cycle of Birth and Death. Similarly, Mahalakshmi who is always present and exist, one time did avatar from the Ksheerapthi, Also, born as a girl to Brugu Rishi Mahalakshmi born as Brugu Rishi's girl, and Mahalakshmi was also known as "Bhargavi". For whom Mahalakshmi (sri) is baby (Vathsa), he is known as Srivathsan. Hence, Brugu Rishi is known as "Srivathsan" as well. People from Brugu Lineage who say, "We are descendent from Bargava Gothra" were proud of saying that "Mahalakshmi was born in our dynasty" As Brugu Rishi is also known as "Srivatasan" as he is the father of Mahalakshmi, People from Brugu Lineage were excited to say, "We are descendent from Srivathsa Gothra" as it connects Brugu as well as Mahalakshmi. KR IRS 9123 3 Gotra and Pravaram belongs to the ‘Kashyapa’ Gotra – the clan of the Sage Kashyapa – and further belongs to a ‘Tryarsheya’ Pravara – or a Pravara containing the names of three Rishis – the same being Kashyapa-Avatsara-Naidhruvi. The Matsya Purana provides an interesting insight into the origins of these seven Rishis and how they became the Gotra-pravartaka Rishis. The longevity of an individual Brahma is 100 years, after which he attains Moksha. Each of the 100 years consists of 360 days and nights. Every single day (and similarly every night) in the life of the Chatur Mukha Brahma consists of 14 manvantaras. Each manvantara, as measured by our time standards, is equal to 306,720,000 human years. Presently, in the life of the current Chaturmukha Brahma, 6 manvantaras have already passed, and the seventh manvantara is underway. The name of the present manvantara is ‘Vaivaswata’ – so named after the ‘Manu’ or the leader of the current time period. The first of the manvantaras was similarly named after the then Manu – Swayambhu. Chaturmukha Brahma had created the various life forms during the Swayambhuva manvantara. This included the various Rishis – the Saptarshis being the chief among them. However, it so happened that Lord Shiva once cursed the Rishis to lose their tapasya. The Rishis were greatly depressed by this and they sacrificed their lives, choosing to not live a life without knowledge of the parabrahman. महादेवस्य शापेन त्व्यक्त्वा देहं स्वयं तथा | ऋषयश्च समुद्भूताच्युते शुक्रे महात्मनः || M.P – 195 – 6 || In the Vaivasvata manvantara, Chaturmukha Brahma decided that it was time to bring back the various Rishis to ensure the propagation of jnana and dharma happened without any hindrance. To facilitate this, he underwent a ‘retas-skhalana’. The veerya thus produced by Brahma was offered, by himself, into a great sacrifice! From the sacrifice, numerous Rishis took birth one after the other. >From the base of the sacrifice, Rishi Bhrigu made his appearance. From the heated coals, Rishi Angirasa was born. Rishi Atri was born from the flames of the fire. From the rays of the fire emerged the resplendent Rishi Marichi. From the hair of Brahma, Rishi Kapisha and Pulastya were born. >From his long locks, Rishi Pulaha was born. Right from the middle of the sacrificial fire, Rishi Vasishta appeared. Rishi Kashyapa and Agastya also came out of the sacrificial fire like the others. Numerous other Rishis were also given birth by Brahma in this fashion. These Rishis got married and subsequently gave rise to numerous other Maharishis. Thus, the various lineages started to grow at the onset of Vaivasvata manvantara. The seven primary Gotra-pravartakas All the Gotra-pravartaka Rishis are categorized under seven primary Rishis. These seven – Bhrigu, Angirasa, Atri, Kashyapa, Vasishta, Agastya and Vishwamitra – were all Brahmarshis occupying the highest echelons amongst the hierarchy of the Rishis. >From these seven Rishis, there arose 18 chief groups – gaNas – to which all the Gotra causing Rishis belonged. In other words, every Rishi who has propagated a Gotra belongs to one of these 18 gaNas. The classification of the 7 Brahmarshi families into 18 gaNas is as follows. Rishi Bhrigu heads five gaNas. The Rishis who are the head of these five gaNas are Jamadagni, Vitahavya, Grutsamada, Vadhrashwa and Vainya Rishi Angirasa accounts for eight gaNas. The Rishis who are the head of these eight gaNas are Gautama, Bharadhwaja, Kapi, Kanva, Mudgala, Virupa, Harita, Vishnuvruddha The other 5 Brahmarshis – Kashyapa, Atri, Vasishta, Agastya and Vishwamitra – head one gaNa each. Thus the 18 Rishi gaNas are Jamadagni, Vitahavya, Grutsamada, Vadhrashwa, Vainya, Gautama, Bharadhwaja, Kapi, Kanva, Mudgala, Virupa, Harita, Vishnuvruddha, Kashyapa, Atri, Vasishta, Agastya and Vishwamitra. Brahmarshis and the Gotra Ganas Ganas and Gotra Rishis Each of the 18 gaNas listed above have under them a number of ‘Gotra Rishis’. Thus, from 18, we get many tens of Gotras, the descendants of whom are amongst us even today. Further under each Gotra, numerous Rishis and Rishi-kumaras were born. Based on the tradition in the particular Gotra, a number of ‘Pravaras’ or sub-lineages became prevalent. Thus, each gaNa has several Gotras, each of which further has one or more Pravaras. The Pravaras are classified based on the number of Rishis who are remembered in the lineage. Ekarsheya – Pravara has the name of only one Rishi Dvarsheya – names of two Rishis used Tryarsheya – three Rishi names are used Pancharsheya – five Rishis are remembered as part of the Pravara Saptarsheya – seven Rishis comprise the Pravara The documentation of all the Gotra names under each gaNa and the list of all Pravaras under each of those Gotras will be a very exhaustive work, beyond the scope of this post. However, in order to illustrate the richness of the classification, the names of few Gotras under each gaNa and a few Pravaras will be given below. Markandeya Purana defines this sapinda relationship very succinctly. पिता पितामहश्चैव तथैव प्रपितामहः |PITA PITAMAJASCHAIVA TATAIVA PRAPITAMAHA पिण्डसंबन्धिनो ह्येते विज्ञेयाः पुरुषास्त्रयः ||PINDA SAMBANDINO HYETHE VIJEYAA PURUSHA TRAYA लेपसंबन्धिनश्चान्ये पितामहपितामहात् |Lepa sambandinnu dhanaschaanye Pitamaha pita mahath प्रभृत्युक्तास्त्रयस्तेषां यजमानस्तु सप्तमः ||prabhu yuktha traya teshaam yajamanastu saptama इत्येषः मुनिभिः प्रोक्तः संबन्धस्साप्तपूरुषः ||ityesha munibi: proktha sambandas daptha purusha: “Father, grandfather and great-grandfather are the three purushas known as “pinda sambandi”. The great-great-grandfather, his father and his grandfather – these three are known as “pinda-lepa sambandhi”. Including the person who has the right to give pinda, 7 generations thus get accounted for. So have the great munis decided” Thus amongst the 7 generations thus described, if there is any common pinda-pradaatru (pinda-giver) on either side, then the relationship will end up becoming a sapinda relation.{KR after the 7 generations thus there are no sapindas viz sagotram even if the descendants might still may belong to old ancestors; many may not even be aware 3 generations; so remembering the 3 addl generations and prior is next to impossibility distant drums does not matter} For those who do not know their Gotras, either because the family lost knowledge of the same, or if a person became an orphan in childhood – the Gotra and Pravara of the family purohita becomes their Gotra. आचार्यगोत्रप्रवरानभिज्ञस्तु द्विजः स्वयम् | दत्त्वात्मानं तु कस्मैचित्तद्गोत्रप्रवरो भवेत् || Another solution given in the shastras is to accept the Kashyapa Gotra since the Shrutis declare Kashyapa as the forefather of all humanity. गोत्रस्यत्वपरिज्ञाने काश्यपं गोत्रमुच्यते | यस्मादाह श्रुतिः सर्वाः प्रजाः कश्यपसंभवाः || References Smruti muktavali – Shodasha Karma Prakarana – By Sri Krishnacharya, Shishya of Sri Raghavendra Swamiji Matsya Purana. Markandeya Purana. Valmiki Ramayana. “Rishigalu” – A book in Kannada by Sri Be. Na. Vijayeendracharya, published by Sri Harivayu Prakashana, First edition, 2014 Brahmin communities in India are traditionally divided into two regional groups: Pancha-Gauda Brahmins and Pancha-Dravida Brahmins according to the following shloka found in the Rajatarangini of Kalhana (12th century): कर्णाटकाश्च तैलंगा द्राविडा महाराष्ट्रकाः । गुर्जराश्चेति पञ्चैव द्राविडा विन्ध्यदक्षिणे ॥ सारस्वताः कान्यकुब्जा गौडा उत्कलमैथिलाः । पन्चगौडा इति ख्याता विन्ध्स्योत्तरवासिनः ॥ कर्णाटकाश्च तैलंगा द्राविडा महाराष्ट्रकाः । गुर्जराश्चेति पञ्चैव द्राविडा विन्ध्यदक्षिणे ॥ सारस्वताः कान्यकुब्जा गौडा उत्कलमैथिलाः । पन्चगौडा इति ख्याता विन्ध्स्योत्तरवासिनः ॥ "The Karnatakas, Tailangas, Dravidas, Maharashtrakas and Gurjaras; these five (-types who- ) live south of Vindhya (- mountains) are (called-) "Dravida" (- brahmins); (whereas-) Saraswatas, Kanyakubjas, Gaudas, Utkalas, and Maithilas, who live north of Vindhya (- mountains) are known as "five Gauda" (- brahmins)." The shloka only identifies the caste-system present on the basis of their regional presence. The classification of Brahmins, the highest varna, on the basis of Region is debatable (compare the Brahmin gotra system). ORIGIN OF THE CONCEPT DNAs Verse 6.7.6 Section 6.7 Chandogya Upanishad एवं सोम्य ते षोडशानां कलानामेका कलातिशिष्टाभूत्सान्नेनोपसमाहिता प्राज्वाली तयैतर्हि वेदाननुभवस्यन्नमयंहि सोम्य मन आपोमयः प्राणस्तेजोमयी वागिति तद्धास्य विजज्ञाविति विजज्ञाविति ॥ ६.७.६ ॥ ॥ इति सप्तमः खण्डः ॥ evaṃ somya te ṣoḍaśānāṃ kalānāmekā kalātiśiṣṭābhūtsānnenopasamāhitā prājvālī tayaitarhi vedānanubhavasyannamayaṃhi somya mana āpomayaḥ prāṇastejomayī vāgiti taddhāsya vijajñāviti vijajñāviti || 6.7.6 || || iti saptamaḥ khaṇḍaḥ || 6. ‘In the same way, O Somya, of your sixteen parts, only one remained. But that, when nourished by food, has revived, and by that you are now able to follow the Vedas. O Somya, this is why I said that the mind was nourished by food, prāṇa was nourished by water, and speech was nourished by fire.’ Śvetaketu now understood what his father was saying. Evam, in the same way; somya, O Somya; ekā kalā, one part; te ṣoḍaśānām kalānām, of your sixteen parts; atiśiṣṭā abhūt, remained; sā, it; upasamāhitā annena, nourished by food; prājvālī, has revived; etarhi, now; tayā, by that [remaining part]; vedān, the Vedas; anubhavasi, you can understand; somya, O Somya; hi, this is why [I said]; manaḥ annamayam, the mind is nourished by food; prāṇaḥ āpomayaḥ, prāṇa is nourished by water; vāk tejomayī iti, speech is nourished by fire; asya, of that [what his father had said]; tat ha vijajñau iti, he understood it; vijajñau iti, he understood. Iti saptamaḥ khaṇḍaḥ, here ends the seventh section. Commentary: Just as a fire will go out if fuel is not added to it, so also the mind will cease to function if you do not eat. After fasting for fifteen days, Śvetaketu still had a small portion of his mind left working. It was reduced to a fragment, as it were. But after eating, his memory returned and his mind was again active and vigorous. The idea is, this human body is a very powerful instrument. The mind is powerful; speech is powerful; life itself is powerful. But it is all dependent on food (i.e., earth), water, and energy (i.e., fire). Yet even these gross elements are not independent. As we have seen earlier, earth is a mixture of water and fire with earth. Water also is a mixture of earth and fire with water. Similarly, fire is a mixture of earth and water with fire. This process is called trivṛta, or triplication. It is the permutation and combination of the three elements. Vedānta says, we cannot see these elements in their pure form, because that pure form is Existence, sat. What the Upaniṣad is saying is suggestive: That which we do not see in its pure form, but in a form which is a by-product of a combination of other things, really does not exist. This is the argument Buddhism also advances. They say: ‘You talk about a chariot, but where is the chariot? Is it a reality? No, it can’t be a reality, because a chariot is a combination of different things put together. Where is the chariot? Is it the wheels? The platform? The canopy? No. When you speak of an object which is not independent, which is dependent on factors combining together, then it is not real.’ Here is the same argument. All objects are dependent. What exists then? Vedānta says it is sat, Existence. That Existence is our own Self, the real Self, the essence, the real being, pure Spirit. When the Upaniṣad refers to our mind, our life force, and our speech, it is referring to this phenomenal world. We have to look at these things from two levels: From the cosmic level there is one Reality, one Existence. From the individual level we owe our mind, life force, and speech to these elements. But in reality all these elements, all these manifestations of creation, are pure Spirit. One Reality, pure Spirit, has assumed diverse forms. The whole manifestation of this universe is dependent. Even the mind. Where does the mind come from? Science has not yet been able to answer this question. According to Vedānta, the mind is nothing but matter; yet consciousness, which is pure Spirit, is the source. Vedānta does not make any distinction between matter and consciousness. We say it is one and the same. Consciousness is the source, and out of that one source, all that exists—call it matter, call it energy, call it mind—has come. Science has its own terms. They may call the source of life DNA or something else. Vedānta says it is tat, That. Or it is sat, Existence. From Existence, everything has emerged. In essence there is one—the same thing appearing in different forms. {KR THUS THE ANCIENT SAW THAT THERE IS ONLY ONE THING THAT CAN SURVIVE FOREVER THAT IS sat OR tat AND SCIENCE SAYS DNAs ARE IMPERISHABLES.} You may ask, how did the. One became manifest as many? Why did it happen? The fact that we can ask this question shows that that One is conscious. Only a conscious being can think, plan, and wish. Because that one Reality is consciousness it can say, ‘I will be many.’ If it were inert, it could not wish to become many. So Vedānta says, that one Reality, pure Spirit, is consciousness. Yet, that consciousness can also take the form of something inert. Matter and consciousness are not different. For instance, if you break a paperweight into atoms, and then smash even those atoms, you will find so much energy—so much motion. So, whether the manifestations of this creation are conscious or unconscious, intelligent or unintelligent, they all have their source in that one conscious Reality. *According to Ghurye, they did not originate in ṛgvedic times. They took shape as a socio-religious product after the gotras came inThe Śatapathabrāhmaṇa was the first to use the term pravara.* The next stage was in Baudhāyana-śrautasūtra , which listed 800 gotras, (however doubtful) and 91 ṛṣis (sages) supposed to be connected with them. They were called pravaras-ṛṣis. According to P.V. Kane, though the term gotra was not used in ṛgvedic times, gotra as an idea existed at that era so did pravaras a little latter The use of pravaras in gotra came in ritual practice in śrauta ceremonies in the 5th century BCE At the non-ritual level, pravaras as a source of identity along with gotra were used first by Odishan monarchs during the 6th-7th century CE. Yājñavalkya (3rd century CE) insisted on both gotra and caraṇa. In fact from Yājñavalkya till the modern period, most of the law-givers insisted that pravara be given due weight while considering one's gotra. In many cases, we find the term sa-gotra which means ‘of the same gotra-group’. However, in the inscriptions, it is mostly associated with educational lineage for example Āśvalāyaṇa (Ṛgveda), Kāpiṣṭhala (Yajurveda) and others. K Rajaram IRS 24524 25524 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to thatha_patty+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CAL5XZoo6otEnvZmT%3D5esTw3RJ0MpvxPS1D%2BPz%3DgNZCVPej9%3DRg%40mail.gmail.com.