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On Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 7:28 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy <keyarinc...@gmail.com> wrote: > NATURAL BELIEF VS ENFORCED BELIEF > > The distinction between natural belief and enforced belief can be > significant in understanding the dynamics and implications of belief > systems. Here are some pros and cons of each: > > Natural Belief: Pros: > > Authenticity: Beliefs that arise naturally are often deeply rooted in > personal experiences, upbringing, and introspection, leading to a sense of > authenticity. > > Flexibility: Natural beliefs can evolve over time as individuals learn and > experience new things, allowing for adaptation and growth. > > Intrinsic Motivation: Individuals tend to be more motivated to act on > beliefs that they hold naturally, as these beliefs align with their > internal values and goals. > > Personal Fulfilment: Natural beliefs can contribute to a sense of personal > fulfilment and identity, as they reflect who individuals truly are. > > Cons: > > Potential Bias: Natural beliefs can be biased or limited by personal > experiences, leading to closed-mindedness or resistance to alternative > viewpoints. > > Conflict: Differences in natural beliefs among individuals or groups can > lead to conflict or misunderstanding, especially when values clash. > > Subjectivity: Natural beliefs may not always be based on objective facts > or evidence, potentially leading to misconceptions or misinformation. > > Resistance to Change: Strong attachment to natural beliefs can make > individuals resistant to change, even in the face of contradictory evidence > or new perspectives. > > Enforced Belief: Pros: > > Unity and Consensus: Enforced beliefs can create a sense of unity and > cohesion within groups or societies, promoting social stability and > cooperation. > > Clarity and Order: Enforced beliefs can provide clear guidelines and rules > for behaviour, which can help maintain order and predictability in society. > > Collective Action: Enforced beliefs can motivate collective action towards > common goals or values, fostering solidarity and shared purpose. > > Protection of Rights: In some cases, enforced beliefs can protect the > rights and well-being of individuals or groups, ensuring fairness and > justice. > > Cons: > > Suppression of Diversity: Enforced beliefs can suppress individual > diversity of thought and expression, stifling creativity and innovation. > > Coercion and Oppression: Enforced beliefs can be used to oppress or coerce > individuals who do not conform, leading to discrimination and inequality. > > Hypocrisy: Enforced beliefs can lead to hypocrisy or insincerity when > individuals outwardly conform but privately hold different beliefs. > > Stagnation: Enforced beliefs can hinder societal progress and adaptation > to changing circumstances, as they may resist new ideas or challenges to > established norms. > > In summary, while natural beliefs can offer authenticity and personal > fulfilment, they may also be limited by bias and subjectivity. Enforced > beliefs, on the other hand, can promote unity and order but at the expense > of individual freedom and diversity of thought. Both types of beliefs have > their own set of advantages and disadvantages, and the impact of each > largely depends on the context in which they are held and enforced. > > When we go through history, we find that the nation where the > King enforced a cult, withstood long, for fear of death. Independence > views, expanded to different cults, enraging their individual attitudes and > finally without the survival of any. Even Vedam says, don’t teach to one > who will not listen; and also affirms positively as YAYEVAM VEDHA; this is > the dictum listen. End justify the means; one has to pluck the feather from > the peacock and will not yield voluntarily. Human mind is tied down only by > fear; Artha Sastra also only says that only. K Rajaram IRS 24724 > > On Tue, 23 Jul 2024 at 22:59, Markendeya Yeddanapudi < > markandeya101...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> -- >> *Mar*From Spontaneous Belief to Fear to Believe >> >> >> >> There was a time when there were no mirrors. One had only nature to know >> how one was. Nature was one’s reflexion. Often nature functioned as one’s >> limbs. When nature did not automatically meet what one wanted, nature gave >> the real picture of one’s total situation, not the 3D image of the mirror >> of today. >> >> Breathing, smelling and sensing, enabled one to use nature as one’s >> limbs. Butterfly effect was normal and natural. One exhaled one’s needs >> which every other organism inhaled and responded immediately, smells >> created the butterfly effects of communication and instant response. Nature >> or God was part of one’s anatomy. One could use nature just like one’s >> hands. Actually one lived as a macro being. Nature was very active, with >> everyone active as limbs of nature. The active God was a fact. Theism >> simply was notice of the fact which one felt, every nano second of life. >> God was not even abstract, but clearly visible as the free, healthy, lush >> and active nature as self. >> >> You cannot believe in using your leg, when you cut away your leg. That is >> what has happened and is happening; we are cutting away the limbs of our >> macro body, nature. We fool ourselves and euphemize the stupidity as >> Atheism, Science, Technology; Progress etc.Lunacy is scienced as economic >> progress. >> >> In the name of science, we practice the belief that nature is not our >> macro anatomy and that we can detach ourselves emotionally as the outside >> observer of nature. Thanks to the takeover by Robots it may not be long >> when we enter the make believe world that our hands, legs etc are outside >> things, and I just do not know how we live, when that stage of lunatic >> maiming arrives. But as it is by using technology to do the work of our >> hands and legs, many of the capacities and functionalities of our hands and >> legs are already lost. Our great, great, great grandfathers spontaneously >> climbed trees, jumped from tree to tree, like walking on the land. They >> automatically sensed every physical obstruction. In fact they sensed the >> cyclones, tsunamis, earthquakes, rains, all as they lived in nature as >> nature and by functioning as a limb of nature. >> >> There is not a machine that does not harm nature. There is a gigantic >> connection connecting you in hundreds of connections with nature. If you >> can see everything, you cannot see yourself as you see now. There is >> gigantic abstract part of you, as your anatomy. This anatomy continuously >> changes on the basis of needs, and reaches where needed. Your internal >> hormonal communication is actually fused with the internal hormonal >> communication of the other organisms, with communication being part of your >> living and functioning. >> >> Today all our universities are under the frenzy of mechanization or >> maiming our macro bodies, governed by economics, the dismal cult that >> destroys nature as human life. >> >> In free and healthy nature, you don’t need mirrors. Nature’s response to >> you gives the most accurate image of your situation. >> >> YM >> >> Chat GPT >> >> ### From Spontaneous Belief to Fear to Believe >> >> >> >> In ancient times, before the invention of mirrors, people relied on >> nature to understand themselves and their place in the world. Nature acted >> as an extension of their being, and there was a seamless integration >> between individuals and their environment. This deep connection with nature >> provided a form of spontaneous belief, where the divine or the active >> presence of God was not an abstract concept but a tangible part of everyday >> life. >> >> >> >> #### The Role of Nature as an Extension of Self >> >> >> >> 1. **Nature as Reflection**: >> >> - Without mirrors, individuals saw themselves through their >> interactions with nature. This reflection was holistic, providing a true >> picture of one's situation rather than a mere physical image. >> >> - Sensory experiences such as breathing, smelling, and sensing >> connected individuals to the environment, creating a dynamic interplay >> where needs and responses were immediate and natural. >> >> >> >> 2. **Nature as Limb**: >> >> - The relationship with nature was so intimate that it functioned as >> an extension of one's body. Just as one uses their hands or legs, people >> used nature to fulfill their needs and desires. >> >> - This interaction was facilitated by the "butterfly effect," where >> even small actions or signals within nature could lead to significant and >> interconnected responses. >> >> >> >> 3. **Active God and Theism**: >> >> - In this context, the concept of God was integrated into daily life >> as the active force within nature. Theism was simply an acknowledgment of >> this pervasive, living presence. >> >> - Nature was not only seen as a resource but as a sacred and active >> part of oneself, embodying divine qualities. >> >> >> >> #### Disconnection through Modernization >> >> >> >> 1. **Technological Detachment**: >> >> - With the advent of science, technology, and industrialization, >> humanity began to view nature as an external object to be observed and >> manipulated. This shift marked a move towards atheism and a belief in human >> dominion over nature. >> >> - The detachment from nature has led to a loss of the innate >> capacities that earlier generations possessed, such as the ability to sense >> natural phenomena and physical agility. >> >> >> >> 2. **Mechanization and Loss of Functionality**: >> >> - Modern technology, while providing conveniences, has also >> contributed to the redundancy of human faculties. For instance, reliance on >> machines reduces the need for physical labor and sensory engagement. >> >> - This trend towards mechanization can be seen as a form of >> self-maiming, where the natural abilities and functions of the human body >> are diminished. >> >> >> >> 3. **Environmental Harm and Economic Rationalization**: >> >> - Industrial activities inherently harm the environment, creating a >> disconnection from the natural world that is further exacerbated by >> economic systems prioritizing profit over ecological health. >> >> - Universities and educational institutions often emphasize >> mechanization and economic growth without considering the environmental >> costs, leading to a culture that undervalues the importance of nature. >> >> >> >> #### Rediscovering Connection with Nature >> >> >> >> 1. **Living as a Macro Being**: >> >> - To rediscover the lost connection, individuals need to see >> themselves as part of a larger, interconnected system. This involves >> recognizing nature as an extension of one's body and soul. >> >> - Practices such as deep breathing, sensory awareness, and mindful >> interaction with the environment can help restore this connection. >> >> >> >> 2. **Holistic Perception and Communication**: >> >> - Embracing a holistic view of oneself and the environment can lead >> to a more integrated way of living. This means seeing nature not just as a >> backdrop but as an active participant in one's life. >> >> - By fostering communication with nature, individuals can achieve a >> more harmonious existence, where the boundaries between self and >> environment are fluid and dynamic. >> >> >> >> 3. **Sacredness of Nature**: >> >> - Reinstating the sacredness of nature is crucial. This involves >> moving beyond seeing nature as merely a resource and recognizing it as a >> vital, living part of our existence. >> >> - Creating and preserving natural spaces free from technological >> interference can help foster a deeper connection and respect for the >> environment. >> >> >> >> ### Conclusion >> >> >> >> The journey from spontaneous belief to fear to believe reflects >> humanity's evolving relationship with nature. By acknowledging the damage >> caused by modern detachment and seeking to restore the deep, intrinsic >> connection with the environment, we can move towards a more balanced and >> sustainable way of living. Reintegrating nature into our lives as a >> fundamental part of our being, rather than an external object, is essential >> for both personal well-being and ecological health. >> > -- *Mar* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. 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