Forwarding some queries as I only know the answer to 1 out of 4 :-) On 2020-03-29 02:25 +0100, Stuart Bennett wrote: > On 15/03/2020 17:30, Wookey wrote: > > It uses survex to do all the sums if survex is installed (and both use > > proj for the co-ordinate systems) so you should get exactly the same > > answers. Without survex it does a rather simple-minded job on its own. > > Ok, so suddenly having a lot more time at home I've made reasonable > progress, but have a few new questions. Various bits attached, should they > be relevant to the below.
I don't know the answers to most of these, so forwarding to the therion list. > 1) I'd quite like it to say P33 next to the pitch, rather than just `33', > but using a `height' point type doesn't let me set a `value' including a > letter. Is there a way to use what seems like the semantically correct > type, or should I just use a label? > > 2) Having gone down the `import a .3d' route, I don't seem to get any dates > in the output, despite the 3d file knowing them, which is a shame. > Inserting a bogus centreline just to specify a date fails, as there's no > measurements. Is there a neat way around this? I think this is a feature, but it may be fixable. > 3) The boulders are enormous. The ones you get with a `breakdown'-type > point are much more suitable, but that defeats the point of having an area > fill. Is there a way to scale the area fill symbols? You want Andrew's 'fancy boulders' function. 'Customisable Area blocks' on https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/metapost > 4) More generally, working with a survey drawn up in pencil over a Survex > printout is ok, but if I'd drawn up digitally first, would the LRUD data > have somehow been used/displayed automatically? Does using a .3d import vs > transcribing to Therion native format affect this? > > Thanks, Stuart > encoding utf-8 > import daves_hole.3d -surveys use > survey dh -title "Dave's Höhle" > input daves_hole.th2 > # date 2017.09.17 > # team SB insts > # team OGHM/KIH notes,dog > endsurvey > encoding utf-8 > ##XTHERION## xth_me_area_adjust -132.0 -1368 1883 141.0 > ##XTHERION## xth_me_area_zoom_to 50 > ##XTHERION## xth_me_image_insert {0 1 1.0} {0 {}} daves_hole_scan.png 0 {} > > > > scrap scrap1 -projection plan -scale [709.0 -992.25 1654.5 -991.6666666666666 > 0.0 0.0 40 0.0 m] > > point 686.0 -595.0 archeo-material > > point 1301.0 -445.0 continuation > > point 616.75 -766.5 height -value 1 > > point 648.0 -788.5 station -name 15 > > point 615.0 -698.0 station -name 14 > > point 848.5 -535.0 station -name 13 > > point 458.0 -681.5 station -name 12 > > point 564.5 -653.0 station -name 11 > > point 436.5 -141.0 station -name 10 > > point 504.0 -267.0 station -name 9 > > point 833.0 -769.0 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728.73 -712.75 735.0 -722.25 > 743.25 -734.75 766.36 -749.49 766.75 -756.75 > 767.75 -775.5 714.11 -811.84 671.0 -786.25 > 624.97 -758.92 678.0 -685.5 692.0 -690.0 > endline > > point 701.0 -732.0 archeo-material > > point 777.0 -782.0 height -value 33 > > line wall -close on -subtype pit > 764.75 -635.75 > 749.5 -630.5 686.83 -655.55 666.25 -678.75 > 650.5 -696.5 644.05 -759.5 663.25 -787.0 > 681.12 -812.59 734.6 -815.94 759.75 -784.5 > 789.12 -747.78 806.75 -721.75 796.75 -677.75 > 789.24 -644.69 773.95 -638.92 764.75 -635.75 > endline > > point 741.5 -822.75 station -name 20 > > point 714.0 -683.5 station -name 19 > > point 734.0 -721.5 station -name 17 > > endscrap > > > encoding utf-8 > source daves_hole.th > export map -projection plan -layout local -o daves_hole.pdf > > layout local > legend on > symbol-hide group cave-centreline > colour map-fg [90] > endlayout > *begin dh > *title "Dave's H?hle" > > *date 2017.09.17 > *team SB dx > *team OGHM/KIH notes > *instrument dx "Wookey DistoX1" > > ; BCRA Grade 5 specification file > ; tape error > ; 95.44% of readings are within 0.1m (2 S.D.) > *sd length backlength 0.05 metres > ; compass error > ; 95.44% of readings are within 1 degree (2 S.D.) > *sd bearing backbearing 0.5 degrees > ; clino error > ; 95.44% of readings are within 1 degree (2 S.D.) > *sd gradient backgradient 0.5 degrees > ; station position error > ; 95.44% of positions are within 0.1m (2 S.D.) > *sd position 0.05 metres > > *data normal from to compass clino tape > > ;from to compass clino tape ; remarks > 2 1 126.5 34.7 8.46 > 2 3 287.7 -3.2 8.59 > 4 3 262.4 -1.3 9.21 > 4 5 49.0 -21.4 2.53 > 6 3 323.9 0.6 11.17 > 7 3 158.1 12.6 9.27 > 7 8 194.0 16.4 20.60 > 7 .. 167.8 1.7 21.37 ; to far wall > 7 .. 183.8 5.7 16.82 ; to wall by rubble slope > 9 3 114.6 4.5 24.41 > 10 9 151.4 5.2 5.94 > 11 9 350.9 -13.7 16.80 > 11 12 254.7 9.3 4.74 > 11 .. 64.9 -1.7 19.54 ; to chamber wall > 13 3 81.6 5.8 7.64 > 13 . 172.6 88.1 13.52 ; into roof aven > 14 9 345.3 -17.1 19.46 > 14 15 159.6 44.2 5.65 > 15 16 52.6 2.2 4.54 > 16 . 298.2 -49.3 5.40 ; to Ade's bottom hole > 17 16 - down 18.3 ; was 19.74 to floor, less 16's D > 17 .. 231.9 46.4 5.83 ; leaf on far wall (was station 18) > 19 17 153.0 -77.6 8.52 > 20 19 348.5 -37.5 7.46 > *entrance 20 > *begin > *flags surface > 20 21 184.6 -10.6 11.41 > 21 22 134.6 -2.4 11.16 > *end > *fix 22 0 0 0 > > ;station details > ;name L R U D description > ;LRUDs taken relative to first leg using the station > ;vertical LRUDs use U and D for forwards and backwards > ;1 1.0 0.5 1.5 0.5 alcove up boulder slope > ;2 4.6 9.0 0.7 0.2 rock near small animal bones > ;3 10.5 6.5 0.0 2.8 flake in roof > ;4 8.5 0.6 0.6 0.2 entrance to descending rift > ;5 0.0 0.6 0.7 4.0 wall above rift > ;6 5.7 3.8 1.6 1.2 rock point above hole in floor > ;7 0.0 1.0 0.6 1.5 right wall of entrance to alcove > ;8 1.3 2.4 13.2 0.7 above entrance to small chamber > ;9 1.9 4.1 2.0 0.5 truncated stal, near wall > ;10 1.0 0.4 1.2 0.4 rear of cauliflower chamber > ;11 2.0 1.3 0.3 1.5 entrance to stal chamber > ;12 1.3 1.4 2.9 0.5 broken-off stal (vertical on floor) > ;13 7.7 4.8 7.5 0.4 rock near pitch-fork > ;14 1.2 1.4 0.2 0.5 lowest point of entrance arch > ;15 1.1 0.1 5.4 1.5 cross scratched on right wall (as > exiting) > ;16 1.7 2.1 999 1.4 wall of pitch > ;17 3.2 2.4 3.9 0.0 rebelay bolt (lower) > ;18 3.5 2.8 0.0 3.9 leaf on wall (misplaced) > ;19 3.3 2.9 4.0 0.0 mossy knob > ;20 boulder on south rim of pitch (surface) > ;21 boulder on surface > ;22 top-corner of third quoin of barn wall > > *data passage station left right up down ignoreall > 1 0.5 1.0 1.5 0.5 alcove up boulder slope > 2 9.0 4.6 0.7 0.2 rock near small animal bones > 3 10.5 6.5 0.0 2.8 flake in roof > 13 7.7 4.8 7.5 0.4 rock near pitch-fork > 9 4.1 1.9 2.0 0.5 truncated stal, near wall > 14 1.4 1.2 0.2 0.5 lowest point of entrance arch > 15 1.1 0.1 5.4 1.5 cross scratched on right wall (as > exiting) > 16 1.7 2.1 31 1.4 wall of pitch > 17 3.2 2.4 13 19.7 rebelay bolt (lower) > 19 2.9 3.3 5 1 mossy knob > 20 1 2 0 1 boulder on south rim of pitch (surface) > *data passage station left right up down ignoreall > 5 0.6 0.0 0.7 4.0 wall above rift > 4 2 0.6 0.6 0.2 entrance to descending rift > 3 12 7 0.0 2.8 flake in roof > *data passage station left right up down ignoreall > 6 5.7 3.8 1.6 1.2 rock point above hole in floor > 3 15 6 0.0 2.8 flake in roof > *data passage station left right up down ignoreall > 8 2.4 1.3 13.2 0.7 above entrance to small chamber > 7 0.0 1.0 0.6 1.5 right wall of entrance to alcove > 3 7 20 0.0 2.8 flake in roof > *data passage station left right up down ignoreall > 10 1.0 0.4 1.2 0.4 rear of cauliflower chamber > 9 2 2 2.0 0.5 truncated stal, near wall > *data passage station left right up down ignoreall > 12 1.4 1.3 2.9 0.5 broken-off stal (vertical on floor) > 11 2.0 1.3 0.3 1.5 entrance to stal chamber > 9 2 2 2.0 0.5 truncated stal, near wall > *data passage station left right up down ignoreall > 13 7.7 4.8 7.5 0.4 rock near pitch-fork > 11 2 15 0.3 1.5 entrance to stal chamber > *data passage station left right up down ignoreall > 16 0 2 0 2 wall of pitch > 11 1.3 2.0 0.3 1.5 entrance to stal chamber > > *end dh Wookey -- Principal hats: Linaro, Debian, Wookware, ARM http://wookware.org/ _______________________________________________ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion
