There is a forum and marketplace used by many here which I.ve been unable to reach for several days. Has it gone dark?
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Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn (David Ross) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 14:18:47 -0500 >From: Andrew Webber <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] X220: USB 3.0: Hub or ExpressCard? >To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" <[email protected]> >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 > >Thanks Paul, I'd never heard of them. Nice to be able to talk to a >human, though they don't seem to have reached a critical mass of user >comments. > >- - > Andrew mailto:[email protected] > >Friday, December 28, 2012, 10:34:39 AM, you wrote: > >> Cyberguys has pages of this stuff in their catalog. Unlike Amazon, you can >> call and actually talk to a real person. > >> www.cyberguys.com > >> 800-892-1010 > >> Paul Pennington >> Augusta, Georgia > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 15:24:51 -0500 >From: Andrew Webber <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] X220: USB 3.0: Hub or ExpressCard? >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 > >Thanks Aryeh, for rephrasing my comment in a more specific way. :) I >also recall in the old old days of IDE drives that there was some >reason to put two heavily-used drives on different (busses? cables?) >and not have them as master&slave on the same bus, for analogous >reasons. Or maybe it was the other way around, it's been a while. :) > >Thank you for suggesting the other options, I think these drives are >strictly USB2.0/3.0 compatible. > >In the end, I ordered a 7-port powered (4A) hub from Plugable. U$50 >shipped from Amazon (no other vendors; US & 26 countries but not >Canada; happy I'm on holiday with Amazon Prime :). >Amazon ASIN B008ZGKWQI > >It's coming today and I'm looking forward to lining up the >self-powered HDs (except I need more power outlets :). Details on the >hub after I describe my methodology. > >I did check Cyberguys as Paul suggested, and also Cable Wholesale. The >consistent advice seemed to be powered hub over ExpressCard, usually >because of the power thing. Not sure if they were just trying to save >my notebook battery or if it's an issue. > >I did find a couple of sites with specs on the maximum current output >for ExpressCard, it sounds like 1000mA at 3.3V and 1750mA total >(though what that means in practise I'm not certain). >www.usb.org/developers/expresscard/EC_whitepapers/ExpressCardWP.pdf >has those numbers, www.expresscard.org/web/site/standardsummary.jsp >doesn't seem to mention it at all. > >Anyway, I think some ExpressCard cards have an input for additional >power. Might not be an issue for self-powered devices, though USB 3.0 >bus-powered devices expecting 900mA might have a challenge (Y them to >a USB 2.0 port for more current, I guess). > >The way I used Amazon was to limit it to 4* (/5) ratings and above, >then sorted by user rating and looked for the best price near the top >of the list. The Plugable has 24x5* and 2x4* ratings, nothing lower. >Some of the cheaper units (both hub and ExpressCard) might have an >average around 3.5* but it's a mix of 5* ratings with 3* and even 1*. >Often the 1* start with "worked great the first 2 months then died" (I >find this a common pattern on much of the cheap stuff in general). One >person gave the Plugable 1* and upgraded to 5* after getting a >replacement unit from the manufacturer (and a whole lot of misinformed >abuse from another user). > >I take your point about the single USB bottleneck on the notebook. In >terms of overwhelming the USB 3.0 port on the notebook (my original >concern, re-expressed so well by Aryeh), I discussed it with Plugable >tech support. Among other things, he reminded me that USB 3.0 >bus-powered devices can expect up to 900mA, so the hub's 4A/7port >wouldn't support 7 bus-powered HDs (though ignoring current loss to >the cable, it's >0.5A expected of USB 2.0 ports). When I asked about a >hypothetical 7-self-powered-HDs configuration, he said: > >>Even the fastest drives we've tested are around 200 mb/sec (a few >>high end SSD's might be faster), so 7 of those we're still under >>2gb/sec total, well under the theoretical 5gb/sec max for usb 3. > >which is consistent with my vague recollection "the limiting factor >becomes HD interface (within the external unit) not the USB >connection" and it's nice to have a number. I didn't realize USB 3.0 >was that much faster than a HD though! USB 2.0 has a theoretical max >of 480Mb/s I think? > >I don't expect to put 7 drives on at once, and I don't think he was >necessarily recommending it, but I have 2 now and plan >to buy a third (plus I have a bus-powered USB 2.0/3.0 drive). It will >be really nice if I can hook up all 4 when I want to clean up the >files, rather than doing everything at USB 2.0 speeds (2 drives at a >time). I also have two bus-powered USB 2.0 drives and if they fit on >the hub at the same time it will be fantastic. > >I realized after typing that, that it adds up to 6 drives. Maybe I do >intend to put 7 drives on the hub at once (though it's not my primary >goal; three is my goal). My ambitions are expanding to fill the >theoretical capability. :) > >The three bus-powered drives together should take about 1.5A of the 4A >supplied (they each will work on a USB 2.0 port so 0.5A max demand?). >I don't expect all drives to be transferring at the same time, more >likely move files between Drive F and Drive G, while also moving files >between Drive H and Drive I while any others are idle. I guess that's >4 at once, I'd settle for seeing all my drives while only having one >transfer going at a time. > >Plugable also have a cute 7-displays video on their blog. Not sure I'd >ever have a use for it but they have 6 external displays and 1 network >connection, hooked up to their 7-port hub, using their USB-VGA, >USB-DVI and USB-Ethernet adapters: >http://plugable.com/2012/12/27/latest-technology-for-up-to-8-monitors-on-windows > > > >Thanks again for the comments and suggestions. I'll (try to) post when >I have some benchmarks on this hub. > > >- - > Andrew mailto:[email protected] > >Monday, December 31, 2012, 4:37:59 AM, you wrote: > >> I would think that with a USB 3.0 hub, all data transfers would be >> going through the one USB 3.0 port on the X220, whereas with an >> ExpressCard adapter, it would be going from USB 3.0 port to another. > >> On desktops, I know it is much faster to directly attach USB 2.0 hard >> disk drives via their own USB ports directly to the motherboard or via >> a PCI card than it is to place them on a shared hub. I would imagine >> it is the same with USB 2.0. > >> Aside from using an ExpressCard, another possible option might be to >> connect the X220 to an ThinkPad Mini Dock Plus Series 3 (FRU >> 4338-10U, I believe), which has an eSATA port, and hook up one of >> the other external drives to that, assuming it has an eSATA >> interface, as well. > >> You may have to do some benchmarking, though, to determine which >> interface is fastest for read-intensive and write-intensive >> operations. It could be that it is better to put the source or the >> target disk on one interface versus another. > >> Regards, > >> Aryeh Goretsky > > >> At 10:00 AM 12/28/2012, you wrote: >> >>I have an X220 with one USB 3.0 port. So far all the USB 3.0 devices >>I have are external HDs. Two are self-powered and one is USB >>powered. Any one of them is great when hooked up to the USB 3.0 >>port, but transferring files between drives is very slow (USB 2.0 >>speed of course). I expect to get another self-powered 3.5" drive in >>the next few weeks. >> >>Looking on Amazon.com, I see I essentially have a choice of a 4-port >>USB 3.0 hub, or a 2-port ExpressCard 34/54 card. The former will >>result in four USB 3.0 ports, the latter in three. The card also >>takes up less room in my kit. >> >> From the reviews, it seems none of these devices will give the full >> (4.8?) speed of USB 3.0, but that it may not matter as long as I'm >>hooking up rotating hard drives. Also the ExpressCard at least >>doesn't give enough power to power the small HD, but for now I can >>use the built-in port for that drive. >> >>In terms of cheap, not surprisingly everything has some negative >>reviews, but surprisingly some have pretty high ratings. >> >>I'm seeing a 4-port hub w/2A adapter for U$30 shipped (ASIN >>B005QWY3PU, 4/5*). The related 7-port hub is U$50 shipped. >> >>Of the cheaper hubs, ASIN B007BWTOHU (U$27) seems to have the best >>ratings. >> >>For ExpressCard, ASIN B004YB60KA (54mm) is U$6.45 shipped and some >>negative reviews. Same for ASIN B0046XUMDW (54mm) U$10.76 shipped, >>rated 3.5/5*. There's a bunch in the $10 range. >> >>If I get smart and limit to 4* and better (and Prime), cheapest >>ExpressCard adapter is ASIN B006K25AX4 at $29. Cheapest 4*/Prime hub >>is ASIN B004WM36WG at $26. >> >>My question really, is first if anyone has experience with any of >>these (or another in the <$30 range), and secondly if there are >>significant reasons I should go with ExpressCard vs. Hub and why. >> >>Thanks! >> >>- - >> Andrew mailto:[email protected] > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 15:49:03 -0500 >From: Andrew Webber <[email protected]> >Subject: [Thinkpad] Thinkpad connects to WiFi, no other devices? >To: ThinkPad List <[email protected]> >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 > >I know this is a bit tenuous, but a friend rented a vacation house >that came with WiFi. He powered up his X220, selected the owner's >SSID, and entered the WPA key. Connected no problem. > >Meanwhile, we cannot connect Android (3 tried) nor an iPod (1 tried). >In all those cases it fails authentication. Next time I visit I may >take two more ThinkPads to test. > >It's just a simple Cisco E2500 router. I suggested he ask the >homeowner for admin password, or for the guest password, but I'm >curious and concerned. > >I'm 99% sure it's not MAC filtering (the obvious choice) because the >homeowner isn't a techie and the friend said he just connected, they >didn't do anything beforehand. I also tried disconnecting his ThinkPad >from the net, in case they had a weird "1 address only" DHCP config, >and I tried static IP with my phone (though expect I didn't have the >DNS right, I figured it should still connect to the router and I >wasn't worried about Internet Access at that point). > >Nothing worked. Is there anything else that might, or some uniqueness >about ThinkPads or the X220 that would explain the ease of connection? > >Thanks! > >- - > Andrew mailto:[email protected] > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 13:25:48 -0800 >From: [email protected] (Jonathan Berry) >Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] Thinkpad connects to WiFi, no other devices? >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> > >fwiw, I recently had trouble connecting an Android thingie to >our home wireless network. Turned out that offering B+G did the trick, >even though the android unit works fine on G. So it was B+G, >connect Android, back to G only. YMMV > > >-- >happy >Jonathan Berry and Erika http://members.shaw.ca/berry5868/fun.htm > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 5 >Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 23:58:14 +0100 >From: "David Ross" <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] Thinkpad connects to WiFi, no other devices? >To: "Andrew Webber" <[email protected]>, "ThinkPad List" > <[email protected]> >Message-ID: <305E11F9C59446EAA0895FF22F59ACA6@X201t> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >The E2500 can be set to connect only on N, or only in double-channel mode, >or only at 5GHz. The X220 can handle all of these, but some devices are >2.4GHz or 150N only. > >For what it is worth, I believe that the default login/password on the E2500 >router is admin/admin (case sensitive). The owner might not have changed >it. > >Go online and find a copy of Metageek inSSider (free) and run it on the >X220. It will tell you all about the router's signal. > > >-------------------------------------------------- >From: "Andrew Webber" <[email protected]> >Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 9:49 PM >To: "ThinkPad List" <[email protected]> >Subject: [Thinkpad] Thinkpad connects to WiFi, no other devices? > >I know this is a bit tenuous, but a friend rented a vacation house >that came with WiFi. He powered up his X220, selected the owner's >SSID, and entered the WPA key. Connected no problem. > >Meanwhile, we cannot connect Android (3 tried) nor an iPod (1 tried). >In all those cases it fails authentication. Next time I visit I may >take two more ThinkPads to test. > >It's just a simple Cisco E2500 router. I suggested he ask the >homeowner for admin password, or for the guest password, but I'm >curious and concerned. > >I'm 99% sure it's not MAC filtering (the obvious choice) because the >homeowner isn't a techie and the friend said he just connected, they >didn't do anything beforehand. I also tried disconnecting his ThinkPad >from the net, in case they had a weird "1 address only" DHCP config, >and I tried static IP with my phone (though expect I didn't have the >DNS right, I figured it should still connect to the router and I >wasn't worried about Internet Access at that point). > >Nothing worked. Is there anything else that might, or some uniqueness >about ThinkPads or the X220 that would explain the ease of connection? > >Thanks! > >- - > Andrew mailto:[email protected] > >_______________________________________________ >Thinkpad mailing list >[email protected] >http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 6 >Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 10:37:58 -0500 >From: Scott Matthews <[email protected]> >Subject: [Thinkpad] X220 -- intermittent spontaneous shutdown >To: thinkpad list <[email protected]> >Message-ID: > <CAOKyt=f_t6p027x02qnjz58tn8y5oooh6sxn5nawjbabgu+...@mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >Hi all, my X220 has started to spontaneously shutdown, without an >obvious pattern. > >The first time I noticed was in a morning. I always suspend the laptop >(and had done so the night before) but in the morning I found it >powered off, rather than suspended. I booted it, and got the Windows >message about incorrect shutdown. > >I've experienced the same thing about three times (I'd say about once >every 10 days) -- suspend at night, wake to find it off. One time I >did see it just turn off in my lap. > >In all cases, the laptop has been plugged into power, so I don't >really think it would be the battery? > >Also, it wasn't as if I was running super CPU-heavy processes and overheating. > >Anybody have any suggestions? Thanks! > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 7 >Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 15:57:30 +0000 (UTC) >From: Eric Giles <[email protected]> >Subject: [Thinkpad] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn >To: <[email protected]> >Message-ID: > <[email protected]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > >LinkedIn >------------ > > > >I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. > >- Eric > >Eric Giles >Vice President/Operations Officer at First State Bank >Hattiesburg, Mississippi Area > >Confirm that you know Eric Giles: >https://www.linkedin.com/e/dg2wt3-hbi2w9du-35/isd/10277788286/XvqLIOib/?hs=false&tok=3S4d8AlREZalA1 > >-- >You are receiving Invitation to Connect emails. 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