Hi Mikael,

There is quite a bit of work was done in the area of your interest in
ITU-T Study Group 15 question 13. 
You may want to start from there.

Leon

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of Mikael Abrahamsson
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 1:45 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [TICTOC] sync over IP


Hello. I'm a router guy.

I work for a mobile phone operator, we've been in the mobile phone and
IP 
business for ~20 years. We're running GSM, UMTS and now deploying LTE.
Our 
network also carries a lot of IP traffic for commerical and residential 
customers, mostly Internet traffic but we're also using MPLS L3 VPNs to 
provide L2/L3 services to our customers, mostly L3 VPNs.

We're going all-IP for all the mobile services, meaning we want to carry

everything over IP, including sync and circuit switched calls.

This has made me a bit interested in sync over IP (since I've also been 
using NTP for 15+ years). I read the charter and it seems to indicate
that 
this WG is trying to standardize sync over IP.

When I look at the last years communication on this list I see a lot of 
reference to 1588v2 and SyncE. When I look at these I keep seeing 
references to "ethernet switch" in the diagrams, not IP routers. I also 
see lots of references to new "compliant hardware" being announced. This

worries me.

As an IP operator, we prefer to do routing as far out in the network as 
possible, as we've had bad experience with large L2 switching domains.
We 
also prefer to keep our equipment for as long as possible, so any new 
service we deploy should work over existing infrastructure with devices 
that might be 10 years old. Deploying new IP/MPLS core/distribution 
hardware to support the new services is something we do not want to do.

I've been trying to understand the network requirements of 1588v2 but
come 
up short. There is no 1588v2 article on wikipedia at all.

So I guess my question is if someone could please point me in the right 
direction, where can I find a primer for "sync over IP for a router guy"

to make me better understand what's happening here?

-- 
Mikael Abrahamsson    email: [email protected]
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