Wow, amazing! Super promising.
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On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 3:29 PM Mohammad <mohammad.rahm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> WoW,
> This is amazing! very smart!
>
> If one can adjust the size of left and right dive and hide the sidebar
> then It is Roam killer :-)
>
> Thanks Saq!
>
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 5:54:09 PM UTC+4:30, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>> Regarding dropzones and opening tiddlers in the substory.
>>
>> Here is how I currently have it set up in my TiddlyWiki:
>>
>> [image: tw-substory.png]
>>
>> Note the dropzones above each story. Furthermore there is a "divert"
>> tiddler button in the toolbar for each tiddler, that will open the tiddler
>> in the other story. Lastly, the "Open" tab in the sidebar can be used to
>> drag and drop tiddlers between stories.
>>
>> The way I have this setup is a little bit involved and involves some JS
>> code to modify some core behaviour, and there may have been improvements in
>> the core to make this a little easier since. Jeremy and I discussed some of
>> this in late 2017 but I haven't followed TW development after that until
>> just recently. The most salient of the changes we discussed was introducing
>> a mechanism for a TW to be aware of what stories are being used, by means
>> of either a tag or a tiddler list identifying the storylist tiddlers.
>>
>> Anyway, give me a few hours and I'll see if I can distill my setup down
>> to the minimum you need to get this up and running for opening tiddlers in
>> the substory.
>> Regards,
>> Saq
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:08:20 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Saq, for the code. That works great!
>>>
>>> I am looking forward to your forthcoming promised comments!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 8:01 AM Saq Imtiaz <saq....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi David, it's been a while :) Hope you are well.
>>>>
>>>> So the substory is exactly the same as, and supports the same features
>>>> as the main story. The example on tiddlywiki.com uses a streamlined,
>>>> inlined viewtemplate that only provides a button to close every tiddler.
>>>> Instead, if you pass the appropriate viewtemplate and edittemplate to the
>>>> listwidget controlling the story, you can get the exact same interface as
>>>> well.
>>>>
>>>> To get your substory to behave exactly the same as you main story try
>>>> the following instead of the substory code from tiddlywiki.com:
>>>>
>>>> <$navigator story="MySubStoryList" history="MySubHistoryList">
>>>> Click this link to get started: HelloThere
>>>>
>>>> <$list filter="[list[MySubStoryList]]" history="$:/MySubHistoryList"
>>>> template={{$:/config/ui/ViewTemplate}}
>>>> editTemplate={{$:/config/ui/EditTemplate}} storyview={{$:/view}}
>>>> emptyMessage={{$:/config/EmptyStoryMessage}}/>
>>>>
>>>> </$navigator>
>>>>
>>>> Obviously the "Click this links to get started" is just for demo
>>>> purposes.
>>>>
>>>> Note that you could even use a different storyview or emptyMessage for
>>>> this story.
>>>> You can create custom edit and view templates to offer a different
>>>> viewing and editing experience, re-creating the exact Roam parallel UI
>>>> would be easy this way.
>>>>
>>>> Personally I think having this in a parallel div to the main story is
>>>> more intuitive rather than in a tab, if I wanted to compare two tiddlers I
>>>> would want them to line up better than they currently do in TiddlyBlink.
>>>> I've been using this setup since late 2017 and while I don't always need
>>>> it, it is very useful when I do.
>>>>
>>>> More to follow on dropzones and opening tiddlers in the substory.
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Saq
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 2:01:00 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Saq
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for sharing the video of your dual column TiddlyWiki. That
>>>>> looks promising!
>>>>>
>>>>> Questions about SubStories:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) How does it "allow you to edit"? I am not seeing that.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) I tagged a tiddler with the SubStories code with $:/tags/SideBar.
>>>>> Is it possible to create a 'dropzone' in that tiddler so that the user
>>>>> could drag a link to the dropzone and have it automatically open there?
>>>>> Maybe when dropping tiddlers there, it changes a state tiddler to include
>>>>> those tiddlers, and the substories tiddler displays all the tiddlers in
>>>>> the
>>>>> state tiddler? And closing a tiddler removes it from the state tiddler? I
>>>>> don't know how to do any of this, of course, just thinking out loud to
>>>>> light a spark in someone else's mind.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:35:07 AM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David: have you considered a sub-story in the parallel tab? This
>>>>>> would allow you to edit, as well as open multiple tiddlers there.
>>>>>> Shift+click from the main story to open in the sub-story isn't difficult
>>>>>> either.
>>>>>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Creating%20SubStories
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In fact I would consider putting the substory in a separate parallel
>>>>>> div to the main story, which can be toggled, rather than in the parallel
>>>>>> tab for a better side by side viewing experience. You could also set it
>>>>>> up
>>>>>> so that shift+click in the main story showed the parallel div and the
>>>>>> substory in it, and opened the relevant tiddler there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Roam interface with the parallel viewing reminds me somewhat of
>>>>>> my own two-story layout Tiddlywiki, which sadly isn't packaged well
>>>>>> enough
>>>>>> to distribute:
>>>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/cnubb9osgvfqz4p/tw-dual-story.mp4?dl=0
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However I can offer guidance to anyone trying to implement the same.
>>>>>> It's mostly wiki markup with some sprinklings of javascript to glue
>>>>>> things
>>>>>> together from what I remember, I haven't fiddled with this in a couple of
>>>>>> years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 9:49:20 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The other main drawback to the parallel tab is that it is in view
>>>>>>> mode, not in edit mode.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would welcome code so that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a) the search box in the parallel tab is auto-complete, and
>>>>>>> b) the text field is editable
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This would almost replicate what is available in Roam.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 2:15 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>>>>>>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Having to search or paste the name of a page to open it in
>>>>>>>> the right side panel - in Roam MAJ + click on any link opens it in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> right side and it's also fully editable straight away so you can
>>>>>>>> work on
>>>>>>>> two note (tiddlers) or even more in parallel (the side panel can
>>>>>>>> hold many
>>>>>>>> notes and you can collapse them)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hm, maybe "MAJ" is an acronym for magic of some kind but how would
>>>>>>>>> you click on any link unless all links were displayed all the time.
>>>>>>>>> Surely
>>>>>>>>> you must search first? Are you saying you click and the 'page' opens
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> edit mode? (I'm not familiar with Roam - maybe it only has one
>>>>>>>>> wysiwyg mode
>>>>>>>>> for direct edit?)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think Anne is referring to the "parallel" tab in tiddly blink. It
>>>>>>>> needs a bit of work -- you have to type the *entire* tiddler
>>>>>>>> address into the box, and then you only get a preview, not an editable
>>>>>>>> version.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For my own version, I have forward/back buttons on each tiddler.
>>>>>>>> Then I can use the standard search box to find the tiddler I want, and
>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>> immediately navigate back. But I suppose the long-term solution would
>>>>>>>> be to
>>>>>>>> upgrade the parallel search so that it doesn't demand you remember the
>>>>>>>> precise title.
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