Hi Tony, I'm not sure I follow where your answer is going... Is your suggestion that *graphviz* can be modified so as to show links, or are you simply pointing out that there's no conceptual difficulty in the idea of getting any kind of diagram to supervene on (map neatly onto) tiddler relations? I do understand that "the data contains all the information necessary to be represented in different graphical ways" ... So my question is whether the graphviz plugin (or any other currently available tool) can be readily modified to do that work...
(I also don't quite follow why you place special emphasis on "icons" in your reply? Although icons can represent tiddlers, I don't think an icon can "represent a [particular] relationship" — at least not by itself (except for how an icon can correspond to a *kind* of relation)... Of course icons can be very beautifully used in diagrams, and, when icons can be constrained to be unique, they serve as very compact stand-ins for more complex information... Yet my own use-case (with hopes pinned on graphviz, for now) is for diagrams that show students how various claims are related through inference-relations..., and icons aren't especially pivotal there.) Am I missing something about the spirit of your reply? -Springer On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 8:33:58 PM UTC-4, TonyM wrote: > > Springer, > > A Few thoughts; > > Since a tiddler can be represented by an icon, and wikitext (links) can be > used in many places, once we have a set of icons to represent > relationships, a form of graphing and linking could be established, then > the data contains all the information necessary to be represented in > different graphical ways. The advantage of this would be keeping the data > organised in a way that keeps it reusable with all the other solutions > available on top of tiddly-wiki. For example we can use HTML to a large > extent but always replace parts with wiki text and links, this should be > possible with many other graphing features. If you retain the tiddler as > object and relationships, then all you need is a system to represent the > objects and relationships in each graphing system, you could call this a > meta function for a given graphing solution to translate tiddlywiki data to > each graphing solution. > > Regards > Tony > > On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 12:29:30 AM UTC+10, springer wrote: >> >> Hello Eduardo / chanilino and all, >> >> I'm chiming in to bump Pit.W's question into view again. >> >> The graphviz plugin is turning out to be pretty fantastic, especially >> with some stylesheet help. In exchange for a wee bit of layout compromise, >> graphviz promises on-the-fly editing of diagrams, and would save space on >> my teaching wiki. (Currently all my teaching-related diagrams are .pngs and >> .svgs exported from various graphics software tools.) Although I'm a bit >> wary of the heavy plugin footprint, I'm leaning toward adopting graphviz... >> >> The really wonderful thing, as Pit.W suggests, would be a way to get >> elements of the graphviz diagram to function as links. Is this possible >> without a total rebuild? >> >> Just for the sake of anyone else with diagramming needs, I'll also >> comment on some related options: >> >> Currently, it seems the most elegant tool for getting a diagram whose >> nodes are links is the list tree that twMat made ( >> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/tiddlywiki/twMat$20tree%7Csort:date/tiddlywiki/BKgNBvsCet0/T9LBbpYFAgAJ) >> >> -- but only a small subset of diagrams fits the structural limitations of >> the "tree". >> >> From another direction, I realize an svg diagram can be rigged with TW >> links, but svg-oriented editors aren't so efficient for flow-charts and >> such. The svg tools that telmiger has set up are awesome. >> >> Meanwhlie, TiddlyMap may be the perfect tool for some folks, too, since >> the tiddler-connecting links are its heart and soul. For me, though, the >> sprawly mind-map look is poorly suited to neat hierarchical diagrams and >> flowcharts. (Also, when I went to install TiddlyMap to see whether it could >> do hierarchy and ortho lines well, I got red boxes of javacript death. >> Troubleshooting the conflict, given my constellation of plugins, is a >> rabbit hole for another day...) >> >> There's also mermaid, available as a plugin. From what I can tell its >> overlap with graphviz is significant, a bit lighter footprint and perhaps a >> bit less of what I like about graphviz.... But if someone told me that >> mermaid diagrams could incorporate links more easily, I'd be instantly >> converted. ;) >> >> -Springer >> >> >> >> On Sunday, July 15, 2018 at 11:52:24 AM UTC-4, Pit.W. wrote: >>> >>> Hi Eduardo, >>> >>> great plugin, very intuitive. >>> >>> Is it possible that the names of the nodes are links to tiddlers? >>> >>> >>> Thanks again, >>> >>> >>> Pit.W >>> >>> Am 2018-07-11 um 17:07 schrieb Eduardo Granados Gomez: >>> >>> Hello I have create a graphviz plugin. You can see here >>> https://github.com/chanilino/tw5viz. 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