Riz, The following is my view point simply in the spirit of sharing perspectives.
The key to me, is providing an easy path for the new user to identify if tiddlywiki is for them. For someone wanting to store tiddlers in separate files ie a specific requirement, they must first have established the tool meets their general requirements. Personally I think some links to a showcase would be good (but not yet available?) In someways if someone "makes it their own" with a download and can play with tiddlywiki, when only the default saver is available to them, and they like it, even if they can't save it, they will return to the website and look for more information. This is why I think a link to a standard edition/playground edition(s) asap would be wise, no download until your hooked approach. My idea is, if there is a motivation for someone to move to the next step and no barrier to do so, we get forward moment, someone from the markdown, coder, node server will be motivated to find out how it works and what they can do, they will trawl the options (As I did) but a lot of new users arriving from a google search may only be motivated by their search string, and what it is they were looking for, curiosity could get them to download and open empty.html, but I am not sure curiosity will get them to install a server, even chose to, before they get an idea of tiddlywiki, if presented inappropriately they will think a server install is necessary. The approach you suggest says "a user MUST consciously choose the single HTML", to me this is a barrier too many. A sparse empty.html is the next barrier in my view. With not contents tab its may be hard to find a tiddler again. Regards Tony On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 4:10:24 PM UTC+10, Riz wrote: > > Hi Tony, > > The download option only makes sense if the user chooses single HTML file > version, right? May be users - especially those coming from markdown based > note taking applications - might want to keep their notes in separate plain > text files. > > Giving the download button and then explaining the choices would defeat > this purpose. So if a user consciously choose the single HTML - that is > when he/she should be guided how to download it and save it. > > > > > On Wed, 24 Jun 2020, 11:19 TW Tones, <anthon...@gmail.com <javascript:>> > wrote: > >> Riz, >> >> Totally agree, I suppose I need to take the next step for playground and >> standard editions despite it being raised an number of times. >> >> However If there is no download without selecting an option, how will it >> look to a new user?. To me it is a big thing to hide something so essential >> that was not before. >> >> Regards >> Tony >> >> >> On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 3:14:10 PM UTC+10, Riz wrote: >>> >>> > Single file HTML button should be at the top >>> >>> Noted. Will change. I am not up for keeping it open. The wizard is in >>> place specifically for those people who need help. People should make >>> informed decisions. Might be worthwhile to add download button to wizard >>> intro though. I would take suggestions on how the text should be. >>> >>> Regarding standard edition I agree with the necessity of such an >>> edition. However these require a entirely different and thorough >>> discussion. What is a standard edition?. What plugins goes into a standard >>> edition? How are users guided through the usage of a standard edition? Is >>> there gonna be a wizard inside standard edition that will tell user what to >>> do step by step? >>> >>> When a standard edition is formed and available under tiddlywiki.com >>> domain, the GettingStarted Tiddler will be definitely revised to link to it >>> in appropriate places. It doesn't exist currently unfortunately. >>> >>> Similar is the case with playground edition. There should exist one in >>> the repo and under tiddlywiki.com domain. When they do, it will be >>> linked. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> Riz >>> >>> On Wed, 24 Jun 2020, 10:28 TW Tones, <anthon...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Riz, >>>> >>>> Thanks for your work here >>>> >>>> Some Quick points >>>> >>>> - Single file HTML button should be at the top, and possibly open >>>> to start with. This is where new users will be, lets not force a choice >>>> when they still do not know how to answer. >>>> - Personally I think at least download empty should always be >>>> visible above the choices as it will always be valid. >>>> However as argued elsewhere it would be better to use a Standard >>>> wiki with a little more than empty eg a few inclusions like contents, >>>> display the more page control, home close all and a little more. >>>> - I also believe once established a learn tiddlywiki and playground >>>> editions be pointed to here. If people can experience it without >>>> download/save of any other decisions I expect out adoption or >>>> conversion >>>> rate to go up. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> TW Tones >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 2:40:44 PM UTC+10, Riz wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> So I have uploaded the current draft of changes here: >>>>> https://ibnishak.github.io/TiddlyWiki5/ >>>>> >>>>> Apart from changed suggested by Eric, the text is practically same. >>>>> Some other major changes >>>>> >>>>> 1. The filters in Saver methods are done away with. As pointed out >>>>> above, most options appear whatever options you choose. Wherever options >>>>> are platform bound, it is mentioned clearly in the description. Otherwise >>>>> it is subdivided to meaningful categories keeping in mind "What average >>>>> users might want to see first". >>>>> 2. Text in "Installing Tiddlywiki with Node.JS" is slightly modified. >>>>> 3. Advice boxes CSS is updated. >>>>> 4. Wizard as discussed above. >>>>> >>>>> I have not updated individual savers. I have my doubts regarding a few >>>>> - HTA hack, Beaker, PHP saver. A few users in Reddit had complaints >>>>> regarding instructions about Noteself being outdated. Someone more >>>>> knowledgeable might want to look into these. Actual users of individual >>>>> saver methods could eventually update the docs with detailed instructions >>>>> to set up individual savers. >>>>> >>>>> Apart from general comments, I need specific feedback regarding the >>>>> following. >>>>> >>>>> 1. In the wizard intro, there need be a comment mentioning that only >>>>> one saver would work at a time. If you use GitHub saver, the local copy >>>>> will not be updated. This seems to be a frequent source of confusion. >>>>> 2. Right now in wizard the "Next" button appear only when next step >>>>> matters - like when user selects No or when there is a subquestion - like >>>>> which cloud service to use. Another option would be keeping the next >>>>> button >>>>> appear always and urging user to click it on choosing an option. It might >>>>> involve animation- so could be costly wrt performance. >>>>> 3. How about changing all advice boxes (Tips, Warning, Preamble) in >>>>> the doc to the CSS given in the demo? 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