i On Wednesday, 28 October 2020 at 09:22:20 UTC Tony Woode wrote:
> Hi all > > Thanks everso for your replies, particularly thanks TW Tones for answering > my question with all those options, that's very good of you > > I was very much hoping we could not dicuss here WHY some of us need to > split our wikis up and not just have one master wiki, I'm sure even if you > can't see a need to do this, you can concieve of there being needs to do > this, just think of factors around security or privacy or sharing and so > on. I really wanted to discuss the HOW not the WHY > > TW Tones, I think you're overestimating my skills with TiddlyWiki (and > probably the skills of anyone finding this thread in future seeking to do > similar?). I can see how there are many options to achieve what I want to > achive, but just as one instance: I tried to look at Mario's bundler plugin > (perhaps it is this? > https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/_Uqbg08Pjow/m/lmYj2ETxCAAJ) but > my lack of domain knolwedge means I simply don't really understand what it > fundamentally does, despite trying to read what is available, I don't have > a clear view of what itch it even scratches? I have to say I'm not sure I > could do any of the options you suggest without at least a list of steps to > perform > > So perhaps my lack of abilities can actually help here to narrow down on > an options which might be relevant to me, I'm certainly not going to be > creating my own TW plugins for instance. It would be good if someone would > care at all to write me down a simple process I can follow, in as much > detail as you can bear, to do any or all of the following: > 1) determine WHAT the changes are between two wikis, to allow me to work > out which setting might be 'newer' > 2) apply settings changes from one wiki to another, just as TW Tones you > suggest: in a manner where you're asked for confirmation or some other way > you don't write over the most basic settings that shouldn't be overwritten > eg: wiki name > 3) apply plugins from one wiki to another, so you have certainty that if > you compare two wikis, you know when both have the same plugin set > > I think another key difference you guys might be describing is where you > have a 'master' wiki and a large number of sub-wikis. This is not the case > for me, I have a small number of peer wikis and I never see it growing into > a large number. But if your use of a 'master' wiki is ONLY for a master set > of settings/plugins then perhaps I should do that? But I guess the same > applies: i'd need to know how to achieve the same 3 things > > Thanks again for taking the time.... > > > On Saturday, 24 October 2020 at 08:09:07 UTC+2 TW Tones wrote: > >> Charlie/Tone and Lin >> >> Carlie, I think you have touched on a key differentiator between one wiki >> and the other, when you do a search do you want the other content to come >> up? >> >> - In other words you can store in one wiki all that you would like to >> find under than wiki name. >> >> >> As I said early you can search multiple wikis through an index system of >> Mohammads, You could even have an iframe open to the other wiki where you >> can refresh the index and drop it on the index wiki without leaving the >> tab. Or a tiddler open in the iframe with all the dragable tools listed. >> >> My practice >> >> I say I make a custom tag tool, after I make it work, I always package it >> in a JSON so it can be installed in other wikis, this includes a reference >> to the wiki in which it originates in, if I decide I want to change it. >> Every time I change it I save it under a folder on my LAN (with a set >> filename), every time I want to install something I open the LAN folder and >> type in a keyword and a list of JSON files appear, click and import. >> >> I used to have a TW5 Reference, it included references and resources, >> this year I duplicated it and deleted the resources in one and the >> references in the other, Now I have two wikis. I index both an places the >> index in another *index wiki* where I can search both at once if I loose >> something, however I do not usually because I know what I consider a TW5 >> reference, and what I consider a TW5 resource, I even have another with all >> collected TW5 plugins. >> >> Now I have so many wikis and Projects I have built a method of collecting >> finished projects in another projects wiki, and I can drag a special >> project tiddler to my Index Wiki, and a special wiki tiddler to my index >> wiki. So it I loose something I can find it but I rarely loose anything. >> >> Say I have a set of data, I try and make sure I can select and save the >> data independently from the wiki (and my tools). So it can be exported and >> imported elsewhere if desired. This can be as simple of all the tiddler >> having a particular unique tag. >> >> I love TiddlyWiki >> Tones >> >> On Saturday, 24 October 2020 14:08:21 UTC+11, Charlie Veniot wrote: >>> >>> That's an excellent question which, unfortunately, likely has answers >>> that start with "It depends ..." >>> >>> Sometimes, it makes sense for a wiki to handle a bunch of things that >>> have a lot of commonality/reuse-opportunity. For example, I have one >>> TiddlyWiki that has content that is shared in various >>> contexts/purposes/personalities: >>> >>> - Product Reviews >>> >>> <https://intertwingularityslicendice.neocities.org/CJ_ProductReviews.html?context=ProductReviews> >>> - Urban Off Gridding for Laypersons >>> >>> <https://intertwingularityslicendice.neocities.org/CJ_ProductReviews.html?context=OffGridding> >>> - Hydro Bill Cutting for Laypersons >>> >>> <https://intertwingularityslicendice.neocities.org/CJ_ProductReviews.html?context=HydroCutting> >>> - Chromebook: Beyond Web Browsing >>> >>> <https://intertwingularityslicendice.neocities.org/CJ_ProductReviews.html?context=Chromebook> >>> >>> What originally started with a "how would I create a Product Reviews >>> TiddlyWiki" opened up reuse of info about those products into info about >>> using those products for various hobby projects. All kinds of transclusion >>> delight going on there. >>> >>> >>> Other times, the subject is so focused, so unrelated to other >>> writings/content with no commonality/reuse-opportunity, that it just seems >>> to make more sense to have a narrow-focused/independent TiddlyWiki. For >>> example: >>> >>> - ADHD Slice'n Dice >>> >>> <https://intertwingularityslicendice.neocities.org/CJ_AdhdSliceAndDice.html> >>> >>> To me, wedging ADHD-related content/writing doesn't make any sense >>> thrown into my "Product Reviews (etc.)" TiddlyWiki. In a somewhat >>> "distraction-free" writing spirit, I wanted that ADHD stuff neatly isolated. >>> >>> >>> Cheers ! >>> >>> On Thursday, October 22, 2020 at 11:54:41 AM UTC-3, Lin Onetwo wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi, Tony and Tones, >>>> >>>> Why multiple wikis? I haven't reached that point, so I wonder the >>>> reason. >>>> >>>> Wouldn't that make transclusion and linking harder? >>>> >>>> I'm now putting different content in different Github repo, and clone >>>> then, symlink them into a "main" wiki, and only main wiki have plugins, >>>> other "sub-wiki" just have tiddlers. >>>> >>>> Sincerely >>>> LinOnetwo >>>> >>>> >>>> 在2020年10月22日星期四 UTC+8 下午5:42:03<TW Tones> 写道： >>>> >>>>> Tony, >>>>> >>>>> With only 4 wikis (I have over 100), I would just do any change you >>>>> wish to make to one, and manually apply to others. There are neat and >>>>> easy >>>>> ways to do this. >>>>> >>>>> - If in your master wiki you create a tiddler that lists (with >>>>> links of all the things that changed you flag for the other wikis) you >>>>> can >>>>> just drag and drop them on your other wikis. >>>>> - You could export all the changes as a json file and drop that >>>>> file (or import it) to your other three wikis. You can then collect a >>>>> set >>>>> of changes to drop on a new wiki if you get a 5th. >>>>> - One trick I like is to use an iframe in the child wikis, that >>>>> opens the master wikis updates tiddler in an iframe, you can actually >>>>> drag >>>>> items from in the iframe window and drop them on the wiki that the >>>>> iframe >>>>> is in. >>>>> - Mario has a bundler plugin you may like, one option allows you >>>>> to select if you which to overwrite on import or not. This helps >>>>> avoiding >>>>> overwitting config tiddlers. >>>>> - I have created dragable packages installed in a master wiki that >>>>> I can drag an drop as needed, and another collects all the plugins I >>>>> come >>>>> across, and I make sure I record the source. I often "disable" the >>>>> plugin >>>>> in this plugin repository to keep it clean. After dragging a disable >>>>> plugin >>>>> to a new wiki it becomes enabled in the new wiki. >>>>> >>>>> With a more complex situation like mine I have established workflow >>>>> practices. I try and make sure my changes are comparable where ever I >>>>> install them and have a quick and easy way to install as I need them. If >>>>> I >>>>> am in wiki 2 and I want to use my smart-code view I install it. I have >>>>> some >>>>> nice easy ways to find such tiddler packages on windows I can share. >>>>> >>>>> The most sophisticated processes would be to bundle changes into a >>>>> plugin and add them to a library not unlike the plugins add new plugins. >>>>> The library facility allows you to trigger reinstalls. But this is still >>>>> a >>>>> little painful to achieve, and you need to serve the library via a server. >>>>> >>>>> I do not know who skins cats but there are many ways to do anything in >>>>> tiddlywiki, and a vast majority need only wiki text, widget and macros. I >>>>> suggest developing your own solution that you can evolve over time. >>>>> >>>>> Tones >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, 22 October 2020 at 19:52:21 UTC+11 tony...@gmail.com >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, much respect and adoration etc >>>>>> >>>>>> My use of TiddlyWiki is via TiddlyDesktop for personal (non-shared) >>>>>> information only. I used to have only one wiki which I sectioned off >>>>>> into >>>>>> different topics, but I have found reasons over time to split these >>>>>> wikis >>>>>> up, so I now have 4 separate wikis (They aren't all located in a common >>>>>> folder, but all 4 are accessible at the same time from a single machine) >>>>>> >>>>>> Every so often, I take a look at new plugins or tweak my settings in >>>>>> one of these wikis, and I find amazing and helpful things that become >>>>>> part >>>>>> of the wiki >>>>>> >>>>>> You can see where this is going...right: the new plugins and features >>>>>> I use are meant to be globally-evolutionary across all of my 4 wikis, >>>>>> two >>>>>> examples are: that I started using the codemirror Vim keymap, or that I >>>>>> tweaked my theme sizes to be all % based rather than absolute. >>>>>> >>>>>> My 4 wikis should all be essentially the 'same' in terms of settings, >>>>>> the only things that aren't 'data' ie: content tiddlers, that should be >>>>>> different between them is things like the wiki name, or the favicon >>>>>> logo >>>>>> i've set for the wiki that I can see in tiddly desktop >>>>>> >>>>>> So....can anyone see a process I could use to keep my settings and >>>>>> plugins 'synced' between these 4 near-identically-configured wikis? I >>>>>> guess, as with any sync operation, there may be instances where both >>>>>> sides >>>>>> have changed (or at least it isn't clear whether a change on one side is >>>>>> evolutionary), so some crude visual 'diff' to see what i'm going to >>>>>> update >>>>>> would be beneficial (although that isn't crucial I guess, the process >>>>>> could >>>>>> just overwrite - its usually just one of these 4 that get's upgraded and >>>>>> I >>>>>> want to make the other 3 mirror its settings, but because I haven't had >>>>>> a >>>>>> good way to 'sync' settings i'm sure i've ended up in a mess where some >>>>>> newer settings/plugins now exist across all 4 wikis) >>>>>> >>>>>> thanks enourmously for everything in advance >>>>>> >>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. 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