Hi Kriss Thanks for your message, I'm not the best person to respond to all of it, but I'll try to answer from my perspective.
> I am confused about the use of the different TW spin-offs. > Yes, the world of TiddlyWiki can be mesmerisingly confusing and messy, maybe more so than many other open source projects because the barriers to experimentation with TiddlyWiki are so low. Ever the optimist, I see the mess in positive terms as a rich and fecund environment for innovation. It probably doesn't help that I'm one of the world's worst documentation updaters. > I am organizing a large international benefit event and during the > preparation phase, I have been using tiddlywiki as a tool to structure my > ideas, collect all the information (background-info, lists of all kinds, > contact-info (with *TaggedTemplateTweak*),...) and write a descriptive > document about the different aspects of the project. > (I have been using TW for 2 years now, on *Firefox *(most often on *Prism*) > in combination with *Dropbox *and on *andtidwiki *for my android phone - > the portable and off-line functionality is important to me) > Great stuff. > Now I have reached the point where the concept is mature, I need to start > sharing the information with other people: the volunteers that help in > implementing the project, and later-on maybe partners and sponsors. > > There are close to 700 tiddlers in this wiki, with lots of > links/transclusions and many also with automated contents (FET-lists and > such) > > As I understand Tiddlywiki is intended as a personal document and it was > never really suited for collaboration with different people at the same > time. So I think I will have to move away and towards spaces or tiddlyweb > or ... I don't know; I am confused. > The aspect of TiddlyWiki that makes it suitable as a personal document is the way it handles saving changes locally, giving us all the power of being able to work offline. It's also the main aspect that breaks down when we try to use TiddlyWiki as a multiuser system, where more than one person is making changes to the data. In the multiuser situation some sort of server is needed if you want to be able to resolve contention when multiple people try to simultaneously alter the same thing. Over the years, there have been a wide variety of server implementations for TiddlyWiki. I believe that the most popular contemporary implementations are TiddlyWeb/TiddlySpace and GieWiki. >From TiddlyWiki's perspective, using a server makes surprisingly little difference. One adds an adaptor that synchronises changes to and from the server, but from the perspective of the TiddlyWiki core everything is much the same. > (I have experimented with the spaces concept, but it seems all the > tiddlers can be accessed? Can I reuse my TW layout in spaces? > TiddlySpace has a simple privacy model where the tiddlers in a space can either be private or public. Private tiddlers are only visible to members of the space, public tiddlers are visible to guest users. Confusingly, TiddlySpace is built on TiddlyWeb, a Python application that provides the mechanics of a TiddlyWiki server. You can reuse existing TW themes in TiddlySpace; using TiddlyWiki on TiddlySpace is again much the same as ordinary TiddlyWiki with the addition of a bunch of plugins. > (I use a modified color scheme with the left and right sidebars removed > and a small topmenu, conform to and suitable for andtidwiki) > > So I want to share my tiddlers; some of them can be publicly available > (visible, not editable), others should only be visible to certain people. > These people would be grouped in different user profiles I estimate there could be up to 20 people to modify tiddlers. (with only a > few changes per day; the tool mainly being used as a reference tool) > And for example sponsors could see more tiddlers than the general public, > but neither should be able to make changes. > Overall, the content/structure would be mainly managed by just one or two > people, with small contributions (only text/markup, no coding or such) from > the other users > (f.e. change contact information or add a journal report) > > The user group will not be very large; but It is quite diverse so I would > still need a good and flexible user-management. > > What would you recommend as the best way to go? > * some plugin for TW and share it on dropbox ? > There isn't a TiddlyWiki solution for Dropbox that deals with multiple simultaneous users, so I don't think this is an option at present. > ** TW5 ? > TiddlyWiki5 isn't ready for prime time, if you have goals to accomplish now you'll be better off with classic TiddlyWiki. > * move the content to spaces or tiddlyweb? How does user management > function here? > ** create my own server? > * maybe do I need to move to mediawiki or some of the other platforms with > a stronger user management !? (I would not like this option! But if > needed, could you recommend any?) > I think your scenario is a good fit for TiddlySpace, and hope that Poul Staugaard will comment on GieWiki. TiddlySpace is focussed on getting individual tiddlers on the web, not just TiddlyWiki documents. It encourages you to think in terms of grouping tiddlers into spaces according to the required access rights; you then add users to the spaces that they should be allowed to access the private tiddlers. There is a mechanism for including spaces in other spaces, which allows you to compose summary spaces that bring together data from multiple spaces. Quite a common scenario is to have a separate space for each project, with the members of those spaces being the members of each project. Then one has summary spaces that pull together key project information from their separate spaces. The summary spaces would just have the coordinators as members. The summary spaces can be used to promote discoverability, bringing together disparate data so that it can be easily browsed. Meanwhile, the individual project spaces remain under the control of the project team, and they have a good deal of autonomy with regards to what information they include, as long as they publish the tiddlers that the summary space expects to be able to pull out. > Saving TW in the browser seems to be a neverending concern. Does Spaces > experience similar problems? > On the other hand, could I still (how?) access a spaces implementation > offline? > > When used online TiddlySpace doesn't run into the file saving issues. You can take tiddlers offline in an ordinary TiddlyWiki file, work on them offline and then synchronise them back and the ordinary TiddlyWiki concerns apply with respect to saving changes. The situation with saving changes is stabilising. We have a good story with Firefox courtesy of TiddlyFox, but still lack a good offline story for Chrome, Safari and Internet Explorer. > > Thanks in advance for any advice or helpful comments. Finally, it's very interesting to hear how you're using TiddlyWiki, and getting an insight into your concerns. It's great when people share stories about using TiddlyWiki, one of the things that keeps this community together, and I'm fascinated by the myriad, shifting differences and commonalities that emerge. 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