On May 6, 7:38 pm, FND <f...@gmx.net> wrote: Thanks for taking my, sometimes editorializing, questions seriously.
> These are good questions, Morris. > However, they're very jQuery-centric. I was thinking of a (still > somewhat vague) bigger picture - so in that context, jQuery might be > considered an implementation detail. Of course my questions were 'jQuery-centric' since this is my interest in asking them. I am however interested in your not-yet formed bigger picture as well, it sounds exciting. I too have imagined TiddlyWiki as a basic building block of a larger system. A self-contained self- editable module of a larger system is intriguing and I think it should be pursued with vigor. My immediate concern is: Is it wise to use the existing TiddlyWiki for that purpose? One scenario could be that TiddlyWiki may become a prototype, suffering many changes with attendant bugs and legacy issues only to have to be abandoned in order to achieve the ultimate goal. The un-perfected current TiddlyWiki 2.4.3/2.5 may be under that threat right now. On the surface, not knowing the big picture, the argument for two separate branches of TiddlyWiki seems to present less potential overall problems in spite of complications of running in parallel. The current TiddlyWiki does need a more user friendly interface for wide spread appeal to application developers and their general users. I can't see how only one could reach a level of perfection since their ultimate uses/users may not be the same without compromising both. Perhaps it is too soon to tell. Maybe some attempts to integrate jQuery and demonstrate some pertinent and revealing applications should be completed, offline so-to-speak, and evaluated before modifying the actual current TiddlyWiki which everyone is using. This might reveal the directions both branches, if that be the case, might have to take should the single-file application and the module of a bigger system might ultimately have to take different directions.. Of course the ideal test-bed would be to have a plugin like Eric's HTMLFormattingPlugin or InlineJavascriptPlugin. A jQueryPlugin would allow everyone concerned to experiment with the current TiddlyWiki for their own agendas and be the vehicle that may lead to things yet to be imagined. How delightful would it be to type jQuery code into a tiddler, without ad-hoc translation code, and have it run just the same as JavaScript or HTML while maintaining all the legacy assets TiddlyWiki presently enjoys. Then would be the time to spring-board to new and bigger things. If that was possible what a wonderful TiddlyWiki world it would be. Thank you for your indulgence in my thinking out loud. Morris Gray http://twhelp.tiddlyspot.com A TiddlyWiki help file for beginners On May 6, 7:38 pm, FND <f...@gmx.net> wrote: > These are good questions, Morris. > However, they're very jQuery-centric. I was thinking of a (still > somewhat vague) bigger picture - so in that context, jQuery might be > considered an implementation detail. (Nevertheless, the jQuery > integration was a catalyst for reviving this longstanding issue.) > > > what is the difference between having jQuery in the TiddlyWiki > > core than having it in the PreHead as an external file? > > In terms of simply making jQuery functionality available (e.g. for > plugins to use), there's not much of a difference. > However, there are quite a few areas in the TiddlyWiki core which could > be refactored to make use of jQuery, at which point integration is of > course vital. > > > I understand that one of jQuery's attributes is the large number of > > plugins developed for it. This is also one of TiddlyWiki's great > > strengths. It seems to me that this is a built-in conflict > > There's a significant difference; TiddlyWiki plugins are for end-users, > while jQuery plugins provide developers with functionality (code) they > can use when building applications (such as creating a TiddlyWiki plugin). > So I don't see any such conflict here. > (Also see the earlier discussions and announcements on jQuery integration.) > > -- F. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWikiDev" group. To post to this group, send email to TiddlyWikiDev@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywikidev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWikiDev?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
