Adam,

The control of TiddlyWikis UI is extensive, it provides a framework that 
can be co-opted into many forms as is exemplified by two examples 


   - *The Demo page: http://muritest.tiddlyspot.com 
   <http://muritest.tiddlyspot.com/>  (tiddly demo)*
   - *The Plugin page: tiddlytouch.tiddlyspot.com 
   <http://tiddlytouch.tiddlyspot.com/>    (latest changes and development 
   infos)*

And

This Kanban view ! Look familiar?

https://ibnishak.github.io/Tesseract/projects/tekan/Tekan.html
Make sure you click on the page button to which it refers.

Basically the UI can be taken as far as you want, a bit like using  a 
WordPress back-end but a fully customised front end.

But of course you may want such a drastically different front end that 
having to buy into TiddlyWikis UI may not seem worthwhile, but just 
consider what you get for your money, if you do?.

What I am saying is make sure you learn more before you make general 
assumptions.

Regards
Tony


On Wednesday, January 23, 2019 at 12:35:52 PM UTC+11, admls wrote:
>
> @Tony,
>
> Thanks for the welcome! I look forward to helping however I can. I 
> wouldn't say that I'm very skilled, but I am learning fast.
> The issue with the difficulty of doing even minimal number manipulation is 
> definitely one I've come across, too. I'd personally like to go the route 
> of investigating whether some kind of minimal and secure inline javascript 
> is possible. If it is, I think it could open up that functionality and 
> reduce bloat. The main project I've got my mind on at the moment is UI 
> related. That's an area where progress may be difficult. In the little 
> experimentation I've done with it, the tiddlywiki framework makes ui 
> somewhat complicated.
>
> Anyway, lots of ideas to explore!
>
> @Mario,
>
> I haven't tried the workflow for editing the core yet, but I did try it 
> for a plugin and ran into a problem. I included the plugins necessary for 
> saving tiddlers. And I included the plugin that I'm trying to develop (I 
> had a few hasty tiddlers that I dropped in the plugin directory from 
> another directory). I updated the config object as well. I got new tiddlers 
> saving into the plugin directory. So that is working great. But I can't get 
> the tiddlers I already had in there to show up in the wiki when it is 
> running. Any ideas?
>
>
>
> Best wishes,
> Adam
>
>
> On Sunday, January 20, 2019 at 12:26:03 AM UTC, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Adam,
>>
>> It is exciting to hear we have someone with the interest and skills to 
>> contribute in this way. Keep in mind we have a lot of superusers here, like 
>> myself, who cant YET build such JS plugins, but we know how to do a lot of 
>> things using existing widgets, plugins and building macros. It is we who 
>> come across issues that  tiddlywiki either does not handle or does not 
>> handle well. It would be great if you could socialise these with us, 
>> perhaps in the other google group, because you can then make a real 
>> difference. Looking through the Git hub issues will also detail many of 
>> these gaps.
>>
>> Presently for example I have to use formulas or calc plugin just to 
>> increment a value in a field (even just by 1) if such a solution could be 
>> made and placed in the core or a small plugin it would I believe help a lot 
>> of people.
>>
>> I am sure I could generate a number of small, medium or large projects a 
>> budding developer could play with.
>>
>> Another source is features available in HTML that requires java-script to 
>> work, they can be found all over the internet, some a really cool, but they 
>> need a developer to translate them into Widgets and macros within 
>> tiddlywikis framework.
>>
>> Welcome, great to have you on the team.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, 20 January 2019 00:21:05 UTC+11, admls wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Mario,
>>>
>>> I think, you talk about this playlist: How to set up a TiddlyWiki 
>>>> development environment 
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3h1nemtQLRI&list=PLuiC_HFhI4OxtThoQf92ws875R9zgNGSd>.
>>>>  
>>>> videos 12, 13, 14 ... right. 
>>>>
>>>
>>> That's the one! Thanks for making that, by the way. It has really helped 
>>> me to get some kind of handle on what's going on.
>>>
>>> This is amazingly helpful information. I'm really excited to get started 
>>> and make some contributions of some kind. I'll try this out next week and 
>>> I'll see then if I have correclty grokked what you've written. Thanks for 
>>> your help! I never would have been able to figure this out on my own.
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 19, 2019 at 12:26:26 PM UTC, PMario wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Hi Adam, 
>>>>
>>>> Welcome to the club! :) 
>>>>
>>>> I think, you talk about this playlist: How to set up a TiddlyWiki 
>>>> development environment 
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3h1nemtQLRI&list=PLuiC_HFhI4OxtThoQf92ws875R9zgNGSd>.
>>>>  
>>>> videos 12, 13, 14 ... right. 
>>>>
>>>> A file TiddlyWiki, that is build with: node tiddlywiki.js 
>>>> editions/abcd --build index  can not write back single files to the 
>>>> local harddisk. ... 
>>>>
>>>> If we want to write single tiddlers, we need to use the --server 
>>>> command. ... BUT a server setting needs some adjustments to 
>>>> tiddlywiki.info file. It needs to include the "file-system" plugins. 
>>>>
>>>>     "plugins": [
>>>>         "tiddlywiki/tiddlyweb",
>>>>         "tiddlywiki/filesystem",
>>>>
>>>> If these plugins are missing, you can't save!!!!!!!  See the 
>>>> differences in 
>>>>
>>>>  - 
>>>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/blob/master/editions/tw5.com/tiddlywiki.info
>>>>  
>>>> and
>>>>  - 
>>>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/blob/master/editions/tw5.com-server/tiddlywiki.info
>>>>
>>>> The server setting also uses the: 
>>>>
>>>>     "includeWikis": [
>>>>         "../tw5.com"
>>>>
>>>> setting, which will load the content from tw5.com/tiddlers/ directory. 
>>>> So no code duplication is needed
>>>>
>>>> There is a second setting, which tells the server where to save *new* 
>>>> tiddlers.
>>>>
>>>>     "config": {
>>>>         "default-tiddler-location": "../tw5.com/tiddlers"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> tiddlywiki.info from editions/tw5.com  also contains
>>>>
>>>>     "config": {
>>>>         "retain-original-tiddler-path": true
>>>>
>>>> which allows the wiki to remember the original path from every tiddler 
>>>> eg: tiddlers/myPath ... and so on. 
>>>> New tiddlers will be written to the default-tiddler-location specified 
>>>> in the server. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So if you want to change content from tiddlywiki.com you'll need to 
>>>>
>>>>  - create a new feature branch
>>>>  - run the server
>>>>  - change 1-3 files
>>>>  - create a PR. 
>>>>
>>>> Do __not__ change too many different files. It makes it much harder to 
>>>> get the PR merged, because there will be too much discussion. 
>>>>
>>>> hope that helps. 
>>>>
>>>> have fun!
>>>> mario
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

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