Warner Losh says:

We already have ambiguity in when something occurs, as defined by Earth. Each timezone is 15 degrees wide, and thus something may happen at 11:59:59pm local standard time, but really happen at 12:01:01am the next day 'solar' time.

Ambiguity cuts both ways. Standard timezones provide a simple mechanism for converting between local time and the single worldwide standard of UTC/GMT/Zulu time. Standard time is no less "real" than local time. Mean time is no less real than apparent solar time. I have no argument with having a single worldwide standard - I just argue that the support that UTC supplies for both time-of-day AND atomic time is a better standard than abandoning half of the equation. If we have to abandon anything, abandoning TAI would be the better choice.

We lost earth local time when we went to a standard time years ago.

No - by standardizing the meaning of the terms, we made it possible to easily convert between all the flavors of solar time using closed form algorithms accurate to whatever precision is required. Give me the explanatory supplement to the astronomical almanac - or one of Jean Meeus' books - and I can code up conversions between dozens of physically interesting timescales. The main fallacy in this whole debate is the idea that a single timescale can be useful under all circumstances.

That introduced 30 or more minutes of ambiguity between the mean local solar time and the standard time. Given such a large ambiguity that people accept today, it is hard to believe that they can't accept a few more seconds (oreven minutes).

This argument confuses periodic with secular effects. Straightforward algorithms (a few lines of C) can convert standard time to local time and mean time to apparent time. It is the proposed abandonment of time-of-day (whether called UTC, GMT or Zulu) that will introduce the ambiguity you are concerned about. Rather than some Chebyshev approximation of arbitrary precision that can be relied upon for years or decades or centuries in advance (precisely because it is keyed to a priori knowledge of the orientation of the Earth relative to the Sun) we will only be able to make predictions with elaborate extrapolation of civil (TAI+34s) time to UT and involved numerical integrations over the intervening epochs. Read what Jean Meeus has to say:

    http://www.ucolick.org/~sla/leapsecs/onlinebib.html#Event2005-07-08

Civil time should remain based on time-of-day. Failing that, civil time should be called anything *except* UTC. They can call it UBT for "Universal Bureaucratic Time" if they want.

The proposed change would be a fundamental shift in the philosophy of time, not some little bureaucratic realignment as it is being marketed.

Rob Seaman
National Optical Astronomy Observatory
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