Jeff Mock wrote: > How do you pick the optimal difference frequency? I see that 1kHz has a > nice numerical property where you can read the frequency directly off > the counter, you just need to mentally prepend the first 4 digits. With > computers it's not that important, the difference can easily be a > strange number if it optimizes performance. I'm wondering what > difference frequency optimizes the performance of the mixer thing or if > it really matters? > > Do you worry about the phase-noise contribution of the 10.001MHz source? > As I do the math, it seems that the phase noise of the mixing signal is > subtracted out after the mixing, so it shouldn't mater that the > 10.001Mhz source comes from a frac-N synthesizer and has a few random spurs. > > You say this isn't state of the art. Why not? Can't you run the timing > collection for longer runs and get higher resolution results? > > jeff > > > Jeff
Whilst a naive analysis indicates that the phase noise of the offset oscillator isnt critical, in practice it is. The dependence on the offset oscillator phase arises because zero crossings of the 2 beat frequencies do not occur at the same time. The greater the time difference between the 2 zero crossings the more critical the phase noise of the offset oscillator becomes. Random spurs do matter, as JPL has found with their nominal 100Hz beat frequency system, performance is much better when the synthesizer is set for a 123Hz beat frequency. The optimum beat frequency is that which minimises the system noise. As the beat frequency is lowered the resolution, for a fixed accuracy in measuring the zero crossing times, increases. However as the beat frequency decreases the mixer output noise density increases. Thus a balance between increasing noise at low offset frequencies and increasing resolution at low offset frequencies has to be found. JPL currently uses 100MHz mixer input frequencies and a nominally 100Hz beat frequency. NIST have also moved from 10MHz mixer input frequencies with a 10Hz beat frequency to 100MHz mixer input frequencies and a 100Hz beat frequency. The system isnt state of the art because the zero crossing detector performance is far from state of the art. A diplexer isnt the optimum IF port termination for low noise at low (< 100kHz) beat frequencies. State of the art systems have a system noise level of around 1E-14/Tau or less. The use of tuned circuits in the zero crossing detector increases its phase shift tempco over that of a state of the art design. Thus as the averaging time increases ambient temperature variations will ultimately limit the system noise. In fact a similar performance to the proposed system is possible using an analog phase comparator if one takes a little care in the design. Bruce _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.