Don't forget books are not covered under ITAR. That's how the original PGP got distributed legally.
Jim 2009/7/16 Robert Atkinson <robert8...@yahoo.co.uk> > > Hi, > I've been on the receiving end of this and it's getting worse. Even data is > restricted under ITAR (international Traffic in Arms Regulations). It's > frustrating to have to get a licence (that can take months) just to get a > official copy of installation manual for a radio even when a copy of the > maintenance manual can be freely downloaded from the US governments own > website! (and the radio bought on ebay) Some of the bigger surplus dealers > have been warned and face going to jail for further violations. It's very > hard to tell what and what is not restricted. A helmet is probably not > restricted, but if it has a bracket on the front that might be used to mount > night vision equipment then it is! And big brother IS watching ebay, I have > personal experience of this. > > Robert G8RPI. > > --- On Thu, 16/7/09, Robert Darlington <rdarling...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > From: Robert Darlington <rdarling...@gmail.com> > > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] US ebay sellers who won't ship outside the US > > To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" < > time-nuts@febo.com> > > Date: Thursday, 16 July, 2009, 4:56 AM > > Having personally worked on the > > government side of these export regulations, > > I can assure you they were developed with good > > intentions. The problem is > > that Uncle Sam doesn't realize that vintage 1980s > > technology of the USA is > > not much of a threat to national security when placed in > > the hands of the > > folks in the UK (and most of the rest of the > > world). I find it amusing > > that I cannot export precision timing equipment to China, > > but have no > > problem buying the exact same regulated equipment from a > > vendor in China > > through eBay. I also find it to be pretty sad, but > > that's a whole other > > topic! > > > > -Bob > > > > On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 6:19 PM, <ewkeh...@aol.com> > > wrote: > > > > > You have it all wrong. Having friends in the business, > > I can tell you what > > > is going on. The reason the larger dealers have the > > restriction is, that > > > some or most of their products come from > > companies that do business with > > > the > > > government. They are forced by contract to > > restrict sales to US addresses > > > only and are presently facing ways to even make > > it more restrictive. > > > Government agencies audit these sellers and > > violations as a minimum > > > results in > > > loss of business. To reduce that risk and not > > having to account for what > > > came > > > from where, many sellers opt for total "no > > foreign sales". Intentional > > > circumvention of that restriction can result in > > prosecution. Be cageful. > > > Don't > > > ask me what I think of the governments actions. > > > Bert Kehren WB5MZJ > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 7/15/2009 6:40:05 P.M. Eastern > > Daylight Time, > > > j...@impulse.adsl24.co.uk > > writes: > > > > > > Blimey Jim, you're a patient man! To be > > fair most individual sellers > > > are happy enough to ship abroad if you ask them, > > it's the bigger dealers > > > who seem to have rules carved in granite tablets... > > > > > > Jim Palfreyman wrote: > > > > John, > > > > > > > > I had the same problem from Australia. And > > when they did ship the > > > postage > > > > would be more than the unit! I had to wait > > and wait and wait. Finally > > > (after > > > > years) a good seller who packed well, > > priced well put one up and I won. > > > > > > > > Even if no one takes up your offer - if you > > do wait one will turn up. > > > > > > > > It's even worth asking them if they say not > > outside the US. Some don't > > > offer > > > > because they think no one would pay $100 for > > postage - when in fact we > > > > would. > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > 2009/7/16 John May <j...@impulse.adsl24.co.uk> > > > > > > > >> I'm in the UK and am often frustrated > > when a nice piece of kit is > > > offered > > > >> for sale on the 'bay by dealers in the > > US who won't ship overseas. > > > I've > > > >> been looking for an HP 5370B and have lost > > out on a few nice looking > > > units > > > >> because of this. There's one sitting > > there just now just to tease me! > > > >> > > > >> Is there anyone on the list who'd be > > willing to act as an intermediary > > > >> (take delivery and resend) to > > circumvent this? > > > >> > > > >> I'd certainly be prepared to help in a > > similar manner any stateside > > > >> time-nut frustrated at EU sellers who > > won't ship outside Europe (could > > > help > > > >> reduce customs fees as well by marking > > as returned from repair etc.) > > > >> > > > >> Regards - JM > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > > >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > > >> To unsubscribe, go to > > > >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > > >> and follow the instructions there. > > > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > > > To unsubscribe, go to > > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > > To unsubscribe, go to > > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > > > > > > **************Snoop, Lil Wayne, Lady GaGa -- land the > > tix you need for this > > > summer's biggest tours. 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