Jim,

Lux, Jim (337C) wrote:


On 9/13/09 10:20 AM, "Magnus Danielson" <mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org> wrote:


Out of curiosity, what kind of requirements do you guys have? What kind
of environmental aspects is there? What kind of physical limits would be
typical?

The actual environment is often fairly benign (it's in a vacuum in space
after all).. Temperature fluctuations might be 10C or around there.

Temperature fluctuations can be a downer. Just look at the lunar exclipse season effect on GPS satellites and how that rendered refined atom standard control. Naturally the rubidiums was more affected than the cesiums.

However, you have to survive launch loads: vibration in the 10grms area;
pyroshock for deployments, etc.

Naturally. There should be more shaker tables around... I have seen so many faults occuring on gear where vibration is never really discussed, but the actual gear needs to survive it never the less... and it is not launches that I am thinking about.

We also test over a very wide temperature range.. -30 to +75 wouldn't be
unusual.

A bit out of normal "commercial" temperatures.

Power is usually some flavor of 28VDC.

After that it's a matter of negotiating power, mass, thermal loads, etc.

Which is what I expect for any space mission.

For comparison, a typical flight radio might be 2-3 kg and draw 20-40W,
exclusive of a power amplifier for transmit.

Typical volume? Half a liter?

Radiation requirements vary with the mission.. A typical total ionizing dose
requirement might be 25-50kRad (except if you go somewhere like Jupiter,
where MegaRad doses might be the order of the day)..  You also need to be
immune (or mitigate) single event effects (SEE) from high energy particles.
A typical requirement is no destructive latchup (SEL) for 75 MeV mg/cm^2
Linear Energy Transfer.  There's also Single Event Functional Interrupt
(SEFI), Single Event Gate Rupture (SEGR), Single Event Upset (SEU), etc.

I assume there are a bunch of strategies to handle those.

That depends. You can afford doing bi-directional ranging, as you have
fairly low amount of space and mars surface nodes. The benefit would be
that the surface nodes has high stability in position but not as stable
in longterm, while the space nodes can provide frequency stability.
Pseudo-ranging aids in orbit tracking and the relative position of the
surface nodes can be established. Additional space nodes can use the
resulting pseudolite-satelite constellation for tracking of orbit and
landing position.

That's the sort of idea.. Consider it as a ensemble system.. But at some
point, the link information capacity becomes the limit on performance.

Sure. But consider that we are talking about space-loss for a MMO system and assuming a T of half a sidereal day a quick calculation would give an orbit radius of about 12869 km. That is about half that of GPS. The maximum distance would be about 13309 km. This is the worst-case space loss needed to be handled. Selecting a lower orbit would significantly lower those numbers.

The coding gain is of importance. Recall that the GPS uses very short C/A code of 1023 chips, achieving about 30 dB of coding gain. The P code however achives a much higher coding gain, 127,9 dB. The modern L2C and L5 signals use alternative approach to the C/A and P lock-in mechanism.

The C/A code requires 21 W where as L2 P code only requires 6 W being fed to the antenna. You can lower those values by counting in the 3 dB gain of lower space loss. The high C/A power is needed since the coding gain isn't stellar.

There are many parameters to play around with, but improved coding gain would be one way of getting better performance for a limited wattage. If the limitation of "half-space" antennas can be removed for the benefit of a directed antenna... considerable antenna gain could be made. The downside would be dependence on working mechanics which I would assume should be avioded for all kinds of reasons.

I suspect that the weak atmosphere of mars does not call for as advanced
correction of delays as here on earth, but that could become a research
field in itself by using two or three frequency rangings.

You bet.. Occultations are a big deal in the radio science world.

Well then, that is settled then. :)

An alternative to the continous dual frequency approaches of GPS and GLONASS is to time-share them. While the RF section becomes slightly more complex, you save the weight and power.

The key to GPS ability to handle low signal strength is the synchronous
modulation and ranging codes that helps to decorrelate noise.

The same is done with sequential tone ranging on deep space probes.
Ultimately, it's all about carrier phase.

Exactly... and long observation times with predictable signal.

Sequential tone ranging may fit better for deep space while multiple parallel tones (i.e. code) fit better for intra planetary positioning.

The surface nodes would benefit from using smaller rubidiums for
long-term stability.

For some reason, we don't fly Rb sources... (GPS did, but deep space
doesn't....   Very high quality XOs are what we do for those sorts of
applications)

Habbit? :)

JHU APL makes USOs, as does Oscilloquartz in Switzerland.

JHU APL wasn't on my map, but they do not show up on the normal commerical map. Oscilloquartz is... do you use both?

Cheers,
Magnus

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