Nigel, Thanks for letting us have your name.
On 21 June 2010 10:05, <gandal...@aol.com> wrote: > Warren > > Your stock answer of claiming that everyone and his granny is missing the > point is wearing a bit thin, and despite your suggestion I have not missed > anything either and that includes John's results. But have you looked at the block schematic and understood how it works from that? > Those results, as far as they go, look very good, and I have no doubt you > deserve credit for what you've achieved, but what YOU seem to have missed, > or conveniently continue to ignore, is the need to be able to prove, or > provide sufficient information so that someone else can prove, that your > results are applicable to a more general case, and at least to the accuracy > that > you claim. So the only way to prove this for you is not empirically, it has to be numerically! Enjoy your wait! > There will always be empirical design methods, so called "rules of thumb" > for example, and these can be very valuable tools but the results from such > methods, indeed the results from any design method, still need to be > evaluated and confirmed in practice. And what part of "confirmed in practice" have you not understood so far. Your saying one thing and then something different. I am totally confused by your use of the English language despite coming from somewhere that teaches the Queen's English. > In a similar fashion your measurement technique, again as with all others, > needs validation and proper analysis of its limitations before you can > truly come to rely upon it as a stand alone tool. > It may well be "good enough" for everything you need but despite John's > measurements, and however good his results, what you haven't demonstrated so > far is the ability to evaluate those limitations so you can be sure of that. > The only way at the moment that you can be really sure of your > measurements each and every time is to have someone like John check your > results each > and every time. John spent a month testing LOTS of different devices with thei TPLL against a $$$$ TSC trying to see if it would fail but he could not. He did come to some conclusions as to the limited range that the TPLL can be used over and we accept that. So, you want to be pedantic and say that if you can only prove it empirically, then you have to test it in an infinite number of ways. It's a bloody good job that the guy who invented the lightbulb only had to do it 14,000 times and not an infinite number of times as we would all be in the dark now, wouldn't we. > It doesn't matter how many times your results are checked and confirmed, > and it doesn't matter that your technique might be perfect and your results > might be perfect every time, what you've demonstrated very clearly so far is > that you just don't know whether or not that's true. Do you believe in God? Go ahead and prove it! > I've wondered sometimes if you're just frightened that somebody might > prove you wrong but I don't recall anyone suggesting you're actually "wrong", > all I've seen is folks trying to help you and offer well meant and useful > advice that could assist you properly evaluate the limitations of what you're > proposing. Actually, over the whole period that the TPLL has been discussed on this list it's my observation that a lot of the input from "others" has NOT been "well meant and useful advice" and your just proving it here and now. > However, there must be a definite blockage somewhere because you seem to > have gone into auto repeat mode, and for someone who claims not to have time > to produce any documentation you must have wasted hours and hours churning > out the same old smokescreens. And your still asking the same old questions over and over again when you should have realised that your not talking to someone who can give you the answers you need to satisfy YOU. It's no good trying to get blood out of a stone, perhaps it's your turn to donate some of the red stuff and try to understand this thing without someone being able to describe it your language. OK, I hear you say, so let's have a full schematic for us to work with. Well, I'll tell you exactly what will happen if that gets put on the table shall I. There will be a flood of posts from certain quarters who will say, you shouldn't do it like that, you should do it like this, what a stupid design, this is all wrong, what a stupid chap this is! Get the idea. If you haven't already spotted this, this list is a TOUGH ROOM and there is no sympathy for anyone who is unable to show they are top of the class. Well, it's for time-nuts, so I agree it's a bleeding edge technical group but there are a lot of people on this list who are really fascinated by this area and really want to learn and contribute. I've thrown up a good deal of "stupid" ideas since I joined this group but have learnt a great deal on the subject, perhaps you should learn some humility. > Refusing to share your "recipe" so to speak, with all the bullshit you've > come up with as to why that shouldn't be necessary, and to insult and > attempt to belittle those who have tried to advise you, with all that crap > about > the "experts who just don't understand how it works" etc etc, well, sorry > mate but that really is the mark of a true snake oil salesman and, if > nothing else, you've certainly got that off to perfection. A lot of you bully boys have held Warren up against the wall by the throat and demanded answers so he has spilt the beans in whatever way he felt would get you off his back. So don't shovel up this sort of BS Nigel, take a step back and see what has been going on here. It's time for us all to play nicely in the sandpit. Regards, Steve - ZL3TUV & G8KVD (and I got my G8 before you) > regards > > Nigel > GM8PZR > > > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV & G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. - Einstein _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.