On Jun 10, 2012, at 7:43 PM, Jim Lux wrote:

> On 6/10/12 4:24 PM, Chris Albertson wrote:
>> On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 2:50 PM,<b...@lysator.liu.se>  wrote:
>> 
>>> ... 3m
>>> of antenna cable is no problem. Antenna position is more important than
>>> the exact type of antenna. I'd rather have a decent antenna at a very good
>>> site, than a very good antenna at a slightly worse antenna site
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 3M is trivial.  30M will work fine too.
>> 
>> I agree about the location really mattering more than anything else.  What
>> I did was drill a 2" hole through the roof up from the attic and push a 10
>> foot gallanvised iron plumbing pipe up.
> 
> you would probably want appropriate flashing around that to prevent water 
> (and vermin) ingress.
> 
> 
>  The antenna sits on thop ithe
>> pipe and is higher then the roof top ridge and then the cable go down the
>> center of the pipe.  I pipe flange on top  of the pipe makes a perfect
>> mounting platform.   I used a timing antenna comes inside a white pointed
>> plastic radome.  These sell for just under $30 on eBay.   Maybe it is
>> coincidence or not but the four holes pin the standard pipe flange match up
>> with the four holes in the bottom of my antenna and there is enough room
>> inside the hole in the center for an "N" connector.   It is worth getting
>> the antenna "done right" because it is the most important part of the
>> entire system.     Those dome type antenna are worth it.  the shape is
>> designed to shed both bird poop, and snow.  Birds can be an issue with a
>> flat top antenna, no snow here.
> 
> You probably get snow every few decades (it snowed in Malibu a couple years 
> ago, for instance), but I wouldn't worry about snow loads, even so. <grin>
> 
> 
> HOWEVER, your scheme is going to be tricky to pass muster with the National 
> Electrical Code.  Two aspects need attention:
>  You need to have a ground wire from the mast to the ground point
> and
>  You need to have some form of ground of the coax shield at the point where 
> the coax enters the building.  (a "listed antenna discharge unit" is the 
> usual way).
> 
> 
> While Southern California isn't exactly the lightning capital of the world, 
> we do get some.  A bigger concern (and the primary reason for the code 
> requirement) is that above ground power lines can come down and touch your 
> antenna.
> 
> And someone living in a more lightning prone area is going to want to take 
> those precautions.
> 
> The installations I've seen typically use the same general "pipe" scheme  
> (using rigid conduit, which looks a lot like pipe, but has a smooth inside 
> with no burrs) to a box on the roof, and then regular conduit running down 
> the outside of the building.  Then at the point of entrance, the ground 
> bonding conductor goes from the conduit to ground, and there's a coax 
> grounding block in a box at the place where the hole in the wall is.
> 
> 
> Granted, if lightning does hit, everything connected to the antenna is going 
> to fry, unless you have some sort of reradiation scheme to provide an air 
> gap.  That's what we do when we test GPS receivers destined for space, where 
> you don't want to take the risk of killing the expensive flight hardware.
> 
> 
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