On mine, the side arms are insulated at the bottom and the conduit screws
directly into the Tee at the top. That makes the shield symmetric about
ground at the vertical post.

-John

===============


> the side loops are insulated at the top to prevent forming aa shorted
> turn. It's a loop antenna that works on the magnetic field component of
> the incoming wave, rather than the electric field, like a whip. So, if
> you put a bunch of turns inside the loop of conduit, a complete loop of
> conduit will be a shorted secondary.
>
> J. Forster
>> The HP 117A antenna is a circular shielded loop, about 1 meter or 3' in
>> diameter. I never bothered to measure it. It looks to be made out of
>> roughly 1" OD aluminum electrical conduit components, a Tee at the top
>> and
>> a pull box at the bottom. There are three conduit sections, one a
>> diameter
>> that goes vertically from the bottom pull box to the top Tee. There are
>> a
>> pair of semicirllas, one on each side.  The two side loop halved are
>> insulated from the pull box as I remember.
>>
>> There is a picture in the 117A manual on the Agilent site, but no
>> dimensions I saw. It is a crummy scan. The loop dimensions may be in a
>> catalog of the period.
>>
>> It'd be fairly easy to replicate w/ a hand conduit bender, IMO.
>>
>> -John
>>
>> ====================
>>
>>
>>
>> I never bothered
>>
>>
>>> Hi Pete, I have a 14" diameter choke ring GPS L1 with a big spike on
>>> the
>>> top of it, on the peak of the roof :)
>>>
>>> That certainly gets some stares!
>>>
>>> As the HP antenna is VLF, is the Antenna Huge?
>>>
>>> I can't reliably get WWVB in Australia.
>>> Lots of fading etcetera, or I'd be in there like a shot :)
>>>
>>> We do have a beer called VB hmmm..
>>>
>>> --marki
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Pete Lancashire
>>> Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013 10:50 AM
>>> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
>>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Agilent / HP 117A on eBay...
>>>
>>> I still would like to find one of the HP antenna's just for the looks.
>>> Even the 10509A with 13CW4's .. ok the FET version would be better.
>>>
>>> At least give those passing by something else to point at :-)
>>>
>>> -pete
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 7:09 AM, Burt I. Weiner <b...@att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I always wanted on, but with the intention of using it.  To bad it's
>>>> now useless now with the new WWVB format, otherwise I'd buy it.
>>>> Antennas I got.
>>>>
>>>> Burt, K6OQK
>>>>
>>>> At 06:14 AM 7/25/2013, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote
>>>>
>>>>> >> Would this box work with the new WWVB format?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On 07/25/2013 04:07 AM, Mark C. Stephens wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> Oh my gosh, a 117A has popped up on eBay!
>>>>> >>> Looks in pretty good condition given its age...
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Seller claims the antenna will be listed shortly!
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Item # 281141315740
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> --marki
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Burt I. Weiner Associates
>>>> Broadcast Technical Services
>>>> Glendale, California  U.S.A.
>>>> b...@att.net
>>>> www.biwa.cc
>>>> K6OQK
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