Hi

I think if you look at the math, the 0.022 F cap isn’t going to take care of 
the rated 20 uA current drain for very long.

Bob

> On Nov 1, 2014, at 4:59 PM, Brooke Clarke <bro...@pacific.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Bob:
> 
> When we received new computers from HP and plugged them in the date/time was 
> correct.
> I believe the DS32xx series of RTCs, like those in wrist watches run on 
> almost no power.
> The trick is in getting a super cap with low leakage and low resistance.
> The super caps designed to keep memory chips alive may not power anything 
> needing more than a microamp.
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> Have Fun,
> 
> Brooke Clarke
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> http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html
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> Bob Camp wrote:
>> Hi
>> 
>> I sort of doubt that a GPS aux supply is quite that low current. I have seen 
>> some RTC’s that won’t last a month on a coin cell. My recollection is that 
>> the Oncore backup is closer to that category than the “many years on a cap” 
>> group.
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 31, 2014, at 9:26 PM, Brooke Clarke <bro...@pacific.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Bob:
>>> 
>>> When HP came out with the 300 series Rocky Mountain Basic computers they 
>>> were fitted with a super cap to power the RTC.
>>> I will keep time for some months.
>>> http://www.prc68.com/I/HPIB.shtml#300
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> Brooke Clarke
>>> http://www.PRC68.com
>>> http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html
>>> http://www.prc68.com/I/DietNutrition.html
>>> Bob Camp wrote:
>>>> Hi
>>>> 
>>>> The ultra cap is a pretty small one (physical small). You might be able to 
>>>> find a larger (more farads) one that would fit in the same space. It’s not 
>>>> going to help for a hours and hours sort of outage. It might get you from 
>>>> dying in 15 minutes to dying in a half hour.
>>>> 
>>>> Bob
>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 31, 2014, at 12:42 PM, Tom Miller <tmiller11...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I thought so too. There is an ultracap in each unit.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tom
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Seguin" 
>>>>> <n1...@burlingtontelecom.net>
>>>>> To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" 
>>>>> <time-nuts@febo.com>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 12:19 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, 
>>>>> Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have both of my units sitting on the bench. I found that I needed to 
>>>>>> connect them together to get the REF1 unit to come out of standby.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am using GPSCon to monitor and it appears to work fine.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> One thing on my units, when I power cycled them, it started a 'survey' 
>>>>>> over! I didn't expect that. Are others seeing this. There must be a way 
>>>>>> to store the surveyed position....
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tnx,
>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 10/30/2014 3:59 PM, Bob Stewart wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Anthony,
>>>>>>> Did you power cycle both units as part of connecting them together at 
>>>>>>> J5 to J5?  And can you remind me whether you are using the supplied 
>>>>>>> interface cable, or are you using something else?  After warmup, the ON 
>>>>>>> light is on for the REF-0 unit and the STBY light is on for the REF-1 
>>>>>>> unit.  While running, there is no output from J8 on the unit marked 
>>>>>>> STBY. J8 works on the unit marked ON.  There is a timestamp coming from 
>>>>>>> J6, and I think a 1PPS signal on some pin or other.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Bob     From: Anthony Roby <ar...@antamy.com>
>>>>>>>  To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement 
>>>>>>> <time-nuts@febo.com>
>>>>>>>  Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 2:24 PM
>>>>>>>  Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, 
>>>>>>> Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm still having no luck with mine.  When I power on, the LEDs cycle, 
>>>>>>> the Fault light is on and the No GPS and Standby lights flash.  When I 
>>>>>>> connect my GPS antenna, the No GPS light stops flashing and stays on. 
>>>>>>> After several minutes only the Standby light is on.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> When I connect both the Ref1 and Ref0 together with the interface 
>>>>>>> cable, the Fault lights on both units are illuminated.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Do you see the same?  I don't know what to infer from the Fault light 
>>>>>>> since there is no supplemental data to work from.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Anthony
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>> Mike, N1JEZ
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