Hi Bob,

For precise timing we use the 1PPS output of a GPS receiver. And yes, it is 
typically extremely sharp and precise. If you want 1 MHz or 10 MHz then you 
need all the complication of a disciplined oscillator. But the timing itself 
comes from the receiver's 1PPS pulse. Even without accurate survey or position 
hold mode or sawtooth correction, a plain, cheap GPS/1PPS receiver makes a 
superb long-term accurate time source.

In this example of a cheap GPS 1PPS (http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/MG1613S/), 
the risetime was 2 ns. The rms jitter was 22 ns. This is more than enough for a 
5328A to fully calibrate any OCXO. Just use the 1PPS and a 1 or 10 MHz OCXO as 
the start and stop channels in TI mode and record the gradual drift of phase 
between them. Programs like TimeLab will handle the occasional 1 us or 100 ns 
phase wrap. Use something like 1 VDC trigger for the 1PPS and 0 VAC for the 
OCXO trigger. A rule-of-thumb is that if it drifts 1 us over a day the 
frequency offset is 1e-11

/tvb

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bob Albert 
  To: Tom Van Baak ; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement ; 
Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 10:55 AM
  Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Leap Second results: cheap GPS/1PPS receivers


  I am missing something here.  How does one use a 1 PPS signal? I see how I 
can use a 1 MHz or 10 MHz for a time standard but the 1 PPS usage eludes me.  
Unless the pulse is extremely sharp, a minor uncertainty in the shape or 
amplitude will have profound effects on the timing.


  I use an HP 5328A with the OCXO and wonder how I can improve its accuracy.


  Bob






  On Wednesday, July 1, 2015 10:01 AM, Tom Van Baak <t...@leapsecond.com> wrote:




  I logged NMEA from three cheap ($15-$50) GPS/1PPS receivers, the kind popular 
with hobbyists: parallax(good), reyax(good), adafruit(bad).


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