3 amens to that, bre'r Bob. I too, have a pile or two. I thought, being an adaptive and fixit whiz, I could actually use the stuff. Ain't so. Don
Bob Camp > Hi > > Equally to the point - don’t overpay. > > A unit that needs a whole bunch of attention is worth less than something that > fires up and “just works”. In this case entry level “just works” is priced > below $200. > > Stuff with historical significance - sure, you could easily pay more for that. > To > me it’ll be another 20 years before the mid-90’s GPS gear becomes > “historical”. > > It’s easy to get caught up in some of this stuff. I have piles and piles of > this and that > to prove the point. > > Bob > >> On Nov 5, 2015, at 3:17 PM, paul swed <paulsw...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Yes funny how those things tend to work. >> If you have good enough life will fill in with other things pretty quickly. >> As an example I have an old austron 2201 GPS unit that really does a nice >> job of showing offsets. But with the GPS rollover and other annoyances its >> actually a pain in the butt to fire up. >> Far to spoiled by the modern things you fire up walk away and 30-120 min >> later pretty darn stable. >> Regard >> Paul >> WB8TSL >> >> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Stephen Farthing <squir...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi guys, >>> >>> Thanks for the advice and offers to help. I think I will pass on the >>> Proteus. I have already have a rubidium standard and getting the Proteus >>> to work is probably going to take up more time than I have available for a >>> while. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> Steve G0XAR >>> >>> On Thursday, 5 November 2015, <time-nuts-requ...@febo.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Send time-nuts mailing list submissions to >>>> time-nuts@febo.com <javascript:;> >>>> >>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visite >>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>> time-nuts-requ...@febo.com <javascript:;> >>>> >>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>> time-nuts-ow...@febo.com <javascript:;> >>>> >>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>> than "Re: Contents of time-nuts digest..." >>>> >>>> >>>> Today's Topics: >>>> >>>> 1. NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit (Stephen Farthing) >>>> 2. Re: NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit (Bob Camp) >>>> 3. Re: NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit (paul swed) >>>> 4. General Radio frequency standard question... (Burt I. Weiner) >>>> 5. Re: NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit (Rob Sherwood.) >>>> 6. Re: NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit >>>> (gandal...@aol.com <javascript:;>) >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Message: 1 >>>> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 19:25:39 +0000 >>>> From: Stephen Farthing <squir...@gmail.com <javascript:;>> >>>> To: time-nuts@febo.com <javascript:;> >>>> Subject: [time-nuts] NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit >>>> Message-ID: >>>> <CAAx2MdJJOU6rcz=EV-SQng-TBKwBvcFMMOjUwUhr0oSZe1QK= >>>> a...@mail.gmail.com <javascript:;>> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I have the chance to buy a new boxed unit. Having glanced at the manual I >>>> understand that the configuration software runs under Windows 95 and >>> uses a >>>> serial RS232 port. The only Windows box I have now runs Windows 10 and >>> has >>>> USB only. So my questions are, can I run the config software under >>> Windows >>>> 10 and will a USB to serial adaptor work with it? I will need to make a >>>> power supply for it as I think it requires 24 volts. That should be no >>>> problem. >>>> >>>> Any comments great fully received. >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance, >>>> >>>> Steve G0XAR >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 2 >>>> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:47:36 -0500 >>>> From: Bob Camp <kb...@n1k.org <javascript:;>> >>>> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement >>>> <time-nuts@febo.com <javascript:;>> >>>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit >>>> Message-ID: <b7486f86-beac-46ca-bb7a-c0d80b532...@n1k.org >>> <javascript:;>> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>>> >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> In general running Win 95 software on Win 10 is not a real good bet. It’s >>>> slightly more >>>> likely to work with Win 10 Pro than with the entry level version. >>>> >>>> Bob >>>> >>>>> On Nov 4, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Stephen Farthing <squir...@gmail.com >>>> <javascript:;>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> I have the chance to buy a new boxed unit. Having glanced at the >>> manual I >>>>> understand that the configuration software runs under Windows 95 and >>>> uses a >>>>> serial RS232 port. The only Windows box I have now runs Windows 10 and >>>> has >>>>> USB only. So my questions are, can I run the config software under >>>> Windows >>>>> 10 and will a USB to serial adaptor work with it? I will need to make a >>>>> power supply for it as I think it requires 24 volts. That should be no >>>>> problem. >>>>> >>>>> Any comments great fully received. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks in advance, >>>>> >>>>> Steve G0XAR >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com <javascript:;> >>>>> To unsubscribe, go to >>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>>>> and follow the instructions there. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 3 >>>> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:19:41 -0500 >>>> From: paul swed <paulsw...@gmail.com <javascript:;>> >>>> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement >>>> <time-nuts@febo.com <javascript:;>> >>>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit >>>> Message-ID: >>>> < >>>> cad2jfag_znczh6t3-eezlbrb2mmnabx2mhqwja+sm72w+vm...@mail.gmail.com >>>> <javascript:;>> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> My very small 10 cents. >>>> I am pretty sure win 95 had no idea what USB is. I think thats was win98 >>>> sp2 region. >>>> Certainly win10 wouldn't understand what that program was. >>>> >>>> But that said there are dos emulators/virtual machines that might let you >>>> get away with it. The other comment is if the device is circa 95 then >>> most >>>> likely you will also have GPS week rollover issues. >>>> If the thing is selling for $1 then what the heck. Fun is fun. >>>> Otherwise you may want to consider something a bit newer saving the >>>> headaches and complexity. They seem to start in the $125 range and go up. >>>> There are certainly modern solutions at low cost without the pain. >>>>> From the guy who has recovered more then a few ancient GPS systems. :-) >>>> I suspect if there is a better answer you will get it here. Good luck. >>>> Regards >>>> Paul >>>> WB8TSL >>>> >>>> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Stephen Farthing <squir...@gmail.com >>>> <javascript:;>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> I have the chance to buy a new boxed unit. Having glanced at the >>> manual I >>>>> understand that the configuration software runs under Windows 95 and >>>> uses a >>>>> serial RS232 port. The only Windows box I have now runs Windows 10 and >>>> has >>>>> USB only. So my questions are, can I run the config software under >>>> Windows >>>>> 10 and will a USB to serial adaptor work with it? I will need to make a >>>>> power supply for it as I think it requires 24 volts. That should be no >>>>> problem. >>>>> >>>>> Any comments great fully received. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks in advance, >>>>> >>>>> Steve G0XAR >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com <javascript:;> >>>>> To unsubscribe, go to >>>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>>>> and follow the instructions there. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 4 >>>> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 09:07:42 -0800 >>>> From: "Burt I. Weiner" <b...@att.net <javascript:;>> >>>> To: time-nuts@febo.com <javascript:;> >>>> Subject: [time-nuts] General Radio frequency standard question... >>>> Message-ID: <757554.67050...@smtp120.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com >>> <javascript:;> >>>>> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >>>> >>>> I'm trying to remember the model number of the GR Comparison Scope - >>>> the one that had the anode in the center of the face of the >>>> CRT. Something like an 1109A or B? Can someone refresh my >>>> memory. At one time I was looking for one of those - maybe I still am. >>>> >>>> Burt, K6OQK >>>> >>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] General Radio frequency standard question >>>>> >>>>> There is a GR group on Yahoo but its pretty quiet. >>>>> >>>>> I joined when I started restoring one of the GR early synthesizers a >>>> 1161A, >>>>> the a 1115A >>>>> oscillator (the one where the dewer got destroyed in shipping). >>>> >>>> Burt I. Weiner Associates >>>> Broadcast Technical Services >>>> Glendale, California U.S.A. >>>> b...@att.net <javascript:;> >>>> www.biwa.cc >>>> K6OQK >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 5 >>>> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 03:59:26 +0000 >>>> From: Rob Sherwood. <r...@nc0b.com <javascript:;>> >>>> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement >>>> <time-nuts@febo.com <javascript:;>> >>>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit >>>> Message-ID: <e85d45ff-a0e5-4094-b2d2-860f98fed...@nc0b.com >>> <javascript:;>> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>> >>>> For multiple reasons I install serial cards in my Win7 desktops. >>>> On the issue of the Win95 program, it may not run because the CPU is too >>>> fast. >>>> Rob >>>> NC0b >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>>> On Nov 4, 2015, at 7:02 PM, "paul swed" <paulsw...@gmail.com >>>> <javascript:;>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Steve >>>>> My very small 10 cents. >>>>> I am pretty sure win 95 had no idea what USB is. I think thats was >>> win98 >>>>> sp2 region. >>>>> Certainly win10 wouldn't understand what that program was. >>>>> >>>>> But that said there are dos emulators/virtual machines that might let >>> you >>>>> get away with it. The other comment is if the device is circa 95 then >>>> most >>>>> likely you will also have GPS week rollover issues. >>>>> If the thing is selling for $1 then what the heck. Fun is fun. >>>>> Otherwise you may want to consider something a bit newer saving the >>>>> headaches and complexity. They seem to start in the $125 range and go >>> up. >>>>> There are certainly modern solutions at low cost without the pain. >>>>>> From the guy who has recovered more then a few ancient GPS systems. >>> :-) >>>>> I suspect if there is a better answer you will get it here. Good luck. >>>>> Regards >>>>> Paul >>>>> WB8TSL >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Stephen Farthing <squir...@gmail.com >>>> <javascript:;>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I have the chance to buy a new boxed unit. Having glanced at the >>> manual >>>> I >>>>>> understand that the configuration software runs under Windows 95 and >>>> uses a >>>>>> serial RS232 port. The only Windows box I have now runs Windows 10 and >>>> has >>>>>> USB only. So my questions are, can I run the config software under >>>> Windows >>>>>> 10 and will a USB to serial adaptor work with it? I will need to make >>> a >>>>>> power supply for it as I think it requires 24 volts. That should be no >>>>>> problem. >>>>>> >>>>>> Any comments great fully received. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks in advance, >>>>>> >>>>>> Steve G0XAR >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com <javascript:;> >>>>>> To unsubscribe, go to >>>>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>>>>> and follow the instructions there. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com <javascript:;> >>>>> To unsubscribe, go to >>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>>>> and follow the instructions there. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> If this email is spam, report it to >>>>> >>>> >>> https://support.onlymyemail.com/view/report_spam/ODExMjI6MTgyMjYyODM2OTpyb2JAbmMwYi5jb206ZGVsaXZlcmVk >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 6 >>>> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 05:18:44 -0500 >>>> From: gandal...@aol.com <javascript:;> >>>> To: time-nuts@febo.com <javascript:;> >>>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit >>>> Message-ID: <75951.31663a70.436c8...@aol.com <javascript:;>> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >>>> >>>> Hi Steve, >>>> >>>> I've got one of these, also came to me new in the box but that was >>> around >>>> twelve years ago and other than a short period of testing has stayed >>> there >>>> ever since, nothing wrong with it as far as I can remember just too >>> much >>>> stuff, too much to do, and Thunderbolts and the like do take up a bit >>> less >>>> space:-) >>>> >>>> How long do you have before you need to make a decision?, I can let you >>>> have a copy of the software if you want to play with that first, and the >>>> manual too if you don't have ongoing access to it at the moment. >>>> >>>> Interestingly, the Proteus software is badged Symmetricom, although I >>>> don't recall anything to suggest that they and Parthus had any working >>>> relationship. >>>> >>>> My manual indicates the software as suitable for Win95, Win98, and NT, >>>> which does rather show its age:-), but I've run it ok on a P4 WinXP >>> machine >>>> using a standard RS232 port. >>>> I could try an installation under Win7 via a USB to serial adapter but my >>>> Proteus is tucked away in its box so I would need a bit of time to get it >>>> set up, and whilst that obviously won't confirm it will work with Win 10 >>>> it >>>> might at least be a step nearer. >>>> >>>> Unfortunately whilst the manual does give information on the message >>> format >>>> for the time port output it doesn't for the control port, just refers to >>>> the supplied CDU software. >>>> Presumably it could be sniffed at the port but the manual does state that >>>> the messages are binary format and that a terminal emulator can't be >>> used >>>> for control. >>>> >>>> The Proteus was supplied in 12, 24, and 48 Volt versions, and this will >>> be >>>> indicated on the label on the unit. One thing to be aware of, just in >>> case >>>> it doesn't come with original antenna, is that the antenna port feeds 12 >>>> Volts DC to the antenna, rather than 5 Volts, or even 3.3 Volts, as >>> often >>>> found later. As far as I remember this isn't made clear in the manual. >>>> >>>> Week 1024 rollover is discussed in the manual and shouldn't have been an >>>> issue, at least that's what they said for the 1999 rollover:-), but >>> again I >>>> can check that if you don't need to make a decision in the next day or >>> so. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Nigel >>>> GM8PZR >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I have the chance to buy a new boxed unit. Having glanced at the manual >>> I >>>> understand that the configuration software runs under Windows 95 and >>> uses >>>> a >>>> serial RS232 port. The only Windows box I have now runs Windows 10 and >>> has >>>> USB only. So my questions are, can I run the config software under >>> Windows >>>> 10 and will a USB to serial adaptor work with it? I will need to make a >>>> power supply for it as I think it requires 24 volts. That should be no >>>> problem. >>>> >>>> Any comments great fully received. >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance, >>>> >>>> Steve G0XAR >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Subject: Digest Footer >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> time-nuts mailing list >>>> time-nuts@febo.com <javascript:;> >>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> End of time-nuts Digest, Vol 136, Issue 5 >>>> ***************************************** >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>> To unsubscribe, go to >>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>> and follow the instructions there. >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > -- Felix qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. 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