On 8/1/16 8:18 AM, Attila Kinali wrote:
On Mon, 01 Aug 2016 14:36:28 +0000
"Poul-Henning Kamp" <p...@phk.freebsd.dk> wrote:

I need some formulas that relate EFC noise to the (added) phase noise of
an OCXO. It shouldn't be too difficult to come up with something. But
before I make some stupid mistakes, i wanted to ask whether someone
has already done this or has any references to papers? My google-foo
was not strong enough to find something.

Isn't that just FM modulation ?

Yes, it is. The problem is not the theory. The problem is to calculate
the correct values. I know i can figure it out, but if there are ready
to use formulas that are known to be correct, I rather use those.

Rather than deriving Bessel functions from first principles?

It's an interesting problem.. What you're really looking for is the spectrum of the output with the FM modulation process acting on the spectrum of the modulation. As noted by others, you need to know the bandwidth (and then assume that it's "flat" within that bandwidth).

FM modulation isn't linear: that is, if I feed a 10 Hz and a 15 Hz signal into a FM modulator, the spectrum I get out is not just the superposition of the spectrum with just 10 Hz and just 15 Hz.

The spectrum of a single tone modulation is easy: it's the Bessel function of the appropriate order with the appropriate scale factors.

Somewhere I've got a derivation of this: I was more concerned with phase modulation (heartbeat motion and respiration motion both modulate the reflected radar signal, so the spectrum you see is a combination of the two): it isn't pretty in an analytical sense. I wound up just doing numerical simulation: you don't have to worry about whether you are violating the small angle approximation, etc.

A couple of papers from the 60s that seem to be on point...


http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0019995866800062

http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?arnumber=5245193

The Medhurst paper seems to be the one you want.
"When  the  frequency   modulation  may  be  simulated   by  a  band  of
random noise (as in multiplex telephony carrying large numbers of channels), the spectra of the distortion products can, in principle, be described by simple algebraic functions of the characteristics (i.e. the minimum and maximum frequencies and the r.m.s. frequency deviaion) of the modulating noise band."


I note that "simple algebraic functions" take up the better part of a page. Simulation looks more and more attractive.







                        Attila Kinali


_______________________________________________
time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com
To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
and follow the instructions there.

Reply via email to