On 12/30/16 9:53 AM, Ilia Platone wrote:
Brooke,

The problem in radio ground observation can be resolution accuracy, but
there's also a good transmission into far infrared wavelengths, which
could require smaller dishes to get stellar images. The problem of far
IR is the cost of right filters/sensor, which are a bit difficult to find.

Radio objects, on the other hand, can be solved using an interferometer:
LOFAR interferometers work at frequencies higher than 10MHz, frequencies
totally transparent to the atmosphere and easily computable even by
consumer PCs. There is some work done with common PCs using two RTL-SDR
dongles and two satellite dishes.



the earth's ionosphere is hardly perfectly transparent at frequencies below, say, 10 GHz. The effect is small at GPS L-band frequencies around 1.5 GHz, but still large enough that you need to either make measurements at two frequencies (so you can calculate the effect) or use other data, if you want accurate "sub-meter precision" data.

At HF, the effect is huge: during daytime, you might not even be able to see the signals you're looking for, either from D-layer absorbption or F-layer reflection/refraction.

The real challenge at HF (e.g. LOFAR) is that it's not just a time of flight thing, because the propagation is not in a straight line: the anisotropic ionosphere bends the rays: and even better, the bend depends on the polarization. For GPS, the signal is CP, and the effect is small, so they typically look at it as an overall propagation speed effect. At HF, the effect is so large that's not really valid.

The ionosphere is also only stable on a time scale of <1 second: that is, on a HF skywave path (and by inference, on a HF "through ionosphere" path), signals are pretty much decorrelated at time scales greater than 3 seconds as clumps of ionization move around. This is the fundamental accuracy limit on things like the ARRL Frequency Measuring Test (FMT).

It's true that you can do the interferometry easily on a PC, but taking out the ionosphere effect is tough, unless you carefully choose observing time and avoid high solar activity events, etc.

I suppose one can do some sort of inversion process on measured data from known sources at multiple frequencies to infer the ionospheric structure, but this is a *hard* problem.


If you want to use RF interferometry, I'd go higher: maybe Ku-band- cheap electronics and dishes available. There's some water vapor attenuation, and I'm sure that changes the propagation speed a bit too, but it's measureable with radiometry, you can easily tell whether there are clouds in the path with a pretty simple Ku-band radiometer. You'd want to throw out days when there's rain.

I don't know if there's any useful celestial sources at Ku-band. DSN uses bright quasars as pointing & timing reference when doing Delta Doppler One way Ranging (Delta DOR) but on the other hand, they're also using cryogenic receivers with 34 meter apertures- something not available to the casual (or even dedicated) amateur.
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