Hi

Well, there goes Barkhausen …. :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barkhausen_stability_criterion 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barkhausen_stability_criterion>

Bob

> On Mar 1, 2020, at 8:58 PM, Alex Pummer <a...@pcscons.com> wrote:
> 
> don't forget the  oscillator is one amplifier with infinite gain on his own 
> frequency
> 73
> KJ6UHN
> Alex
> 
> 
> On 3/1/2020 2:46 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On 3/1/2020 2:28 PM, John Moran, Scawby Design wrote:
>>> My apologies if this is slightly off-topic, but it does concern crystal 
>>> oscillators.
>>> 
>>>> However, I then remembered Huygens's discovery that 1S pendulums mounted 
>>>> on the same wall, or beam, would synchronise and swing either in phase, or 
>>>> out of phase and sometimes one would be stopped, by the minute 
>>>> interactions.
>>> 
>>> So, my question is - will my row of low frequency crystals 'talk' to each 
>>> other and synchronise in their frequency groups as well? Remember that 
>>> these crystals are long thin bars of quartz - one of the 3,600Hz crystals 
>>> being 2mm square by 60mm long - so they will possibly vibrate quite 
>>> vigorously compared w
>> 
>> Injection locking requires that the oscillators be within each
>> others 3 dB bandwidth, or at least close to that.  Oscillators
>> on different nominal frequencies are no problem (EG 3 MHz and
>> 10 MHz).  Even two "10 MHz" oscillators won't lock unless they
>> are adjusted to close to zero beat.  OTOH, if you carefully
>> adjust a couple of HP10811's to zero beat, you will have to
>> go to extraordinary measures to keep them from injection locking.
>> A lot more than just running them on individual voltage
>> regulators.
>> 
>> Bottom line: probably not worth worrying about for your
>> hobby project.
>> 
>> Rick N6RK
>> 
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