On 8/6/20 4:28 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
If you look at generally-available GNSS PNT solutions, you'll find a few
failure modes:

1) Loss of a satellite (or two).   This is why the constellations have more
satellites than is strictly necessary, so not a big deal.

2) Loss of control/failure in the control system/constellation wide
software failure, aka the recent Galileo failure.   This is why you have
multiple GNSS constellations.

3) Ground based interference (jamming, spoofing), etc.    This is why you
need a terrestrial backup, which doesn't really exist.

For timing, I wouldn't be opposed to someone flying (or adding a payload
to) a couple of geostationary satellites which live in a separate band from
GNSS.  It would be interesting to be able to put up a small satellite dish
and get a highly reliable and hard to interfere with timing alternative to
GNSS.    I know there are two way time transfer options out there, I'm more
thinking basically a fixed-location cesium clock in the sky.


Well, the GPS folks found that a Rb works better than a Cs, and both need ground monitoring and updating.

One could rent a Single Channel Per Carrier transponder slot on a GEO satellite, feed a carrier derived from your ensemble of clocks to the uplink, and there you go.

My google-fu is failing and I can't find even a rough cost for such a service. Maybe something like $50k/month? $600k/year.

That 600k would probably buy you *one* space qualified Rb oscillator of "good enough" performance, maybe. USOs like used on GRAIL were $1M/each sort of items in qty 4. And then you need some TWTAs to amplify the signals for transmission - those are also pretty pricey.

And then the launch cost.. I happen to know (because I just bought it at work) that you can push about 100-120kg to a GEO+1000km orbit for right around $10M. Rocketlabs might do 20-30kg to a similar orbit for half that.


All in all, I suspect that there are better uses of the $50M it would cost - You could buy a LOT of Cesium clocks for terrestrial use.

If you're willing to do CSAC level performance, and you're willing to have it be in LEO, so you see it a couple times a day for 20 minutes, and you're willing to do some design and fab in your garage - under $5M.

Look up CHOMPTT  - CSAC and optical links.

https://digitalcommons.usu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4407&context=smallsat




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