At 2:22 PM +0200 2005-09-12, Mark Lijftogt wrote:

 Isn't it true, that for the amount of ntp servers in the Netherlands,
 and the amount of users and people with a little experience to set up an
 ntp server without the exact knowledge of maintaining one (which should
 not be a problem) goes hand in hand with the amount of users?

I believe that you are right, in that the higher the ratio of publicly advertised NTP servers to general population, the higher the relative number of people in that country who have the necessary knowledge to maintain such a server. At least, I believe that there is a high correlation between these two factors.

However, I'm not sure that I understand how this relates to the issue being discussed. Can you enlighten me?

 If we are, and we feel that we need to give every part of the world that
 we can serve an equal good list of good ntp servers, we should not be
 looking at this from a national point of view, but more or less from a
 boundry less approach.

Insofar as this statement goes, I generally agree with the principle of going with boundaries specified at a much higher level than individual countries.

 Tare the European continent apart, and create based uppon two or three
 area's closeby (geo).

 England, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland, Ireland, Sweden

 Netherlands, Spian, France, Belgium, Luxembourg, Portugal, Switserland

 Germany, Slovenia, Austria, Poland, Romania, Hungary, Italy

But to do this and to make the effort worth-while, I think you'd have to have reasonably intimate knowledge of the routing between the various countries, and as has been said before, that kind of network topological state can (and does) change on a moment-by-moment basis.

I think we're better off just throwing all the European countries (at least, the Western European countries) into the same pot, and not try to second-guess the local administrator any more than that.

 Now.. if we would realy like to create something that belongs to the
 best what we can get in time serving there is, we should do it alongside
 the pool, provide it as a service for the pool members only to improve
 the quality.

Now that is a very interesting concept. So, we'd be bringing our own idea of "Private Stratum-1" services to the members of the pool themselves, and then having them turn around and provide "Public Stratum-2" services to the rest of the world. That is a very interesting concept, indeed!

That would satisfy the chimeheads in the group that want to tweak the last nanosecond out of their clock, while avoiding unnecessary complexity in providing "good enough" time services to J. Random Internet User, but doing so in a much more robust and scalable fashion.

        Cool!

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