Actually, the first part was my question to the group (up until the "If I 
misunderstood you..." part).  

I think that there was, in the past, a time in which education was seen as a good 
thing in itself.  Perhaps that was a long time ago, and perhaps it wasn't universal.  
But an examination of a liberal-arts curriculum suggests that being "broadly educated" 
was something valuable, and an examination of enrolments in history, biology (other 
than pre-med), philosophy, and other areas suggests that education in the liberal arts 
isn't valued in the way it once was.  But maybe I'm wrong about that.

And the "high-school" reference is about the fact that college now seems a requirement 
for many students, and an increasingly large part of our jobs is trying to generate 
student interest in things, and sometimes playing disciplinarian, and sometimes 
babysitting.  A student who enrolls in university for him- or herself is very 
different from one that enrolls because of some outside pressure.  I don't really care 
so much about the abilities of students; I care much more about how willing they are 
to apply themselves to the subject.

That's all.

m

-----Original Message-----
From: Dr. Bob Wildblood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sat 04/10/23 13:48
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences
Subject: Re: What's education about today?
 
I'm only going to reply to the first part of the last Louis message 
because the original post and my reply were sent to the list.  The rest 
of Louis' response I'll respond to him only since I'm sure most people 
on the list really aren't interested.
On 23 Oct, 2004, at 13:17, louis schmier wrote:

> Bob, I'll quote you: "Is education ever going to be valued again for 
> its own
> sake?"  Did we really sign up to teach high school?  (Not that I don't
> value high school educators!  I just don't think I have the stamina to
> do it.)"  If I misunderstood you, and you were not bemoaning either 
> the loss
> of a past mythical golden age or the watering down of higher 
> education, I
> apologize.
>
Louis,

The statement that you quoted above was not part of my message that you 
responded to.  I've got a hard copy of my message in my hand and I 
never said it -- sort of like a lot of things that one party or the 
other is accusing the other party of saying when, in fact they never 
did, or it was taken out of context.  In any case, I never said it.

Dr. Bob Wildlbood
Lecturer in Psychology
Indiana University Kokomo
Kokomo, IN  56904-9003
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