Rob, I don't care much for bureaucratic over regulation, but given that you are affiliated with a private, religious institution which can prevent you from carrying out certain types of research (e.g., pro-abortion project) or from seeking funds from certain sources, your approval structure makes some sense relative to how it might be typically done in most places. At St. John's, we prepare grant proposals with the assistance of the grants office. When the grant is finished (typically a couple of days before a submission deadline), it then goes for approval by the department chair, dean, and provost. Now, imagine if you had spent all the time and effort preparing a lengthy grant proposal only to be stopped at the highest levels because certain folks there were not aware of what you were planning to do and object to your proposal or the funding agency. Not fun.
Miguel
At 10:36 AM 12/16/2004 -0800, you wrote:
I agree that it is not a totally simple situation, and that the matching fund issue is important to clarify prior to applying for anything. And, I would never apply for a grant without discussing it with the Grants office beforehand for two reasons: (1) I have no problem with the institution knowing what I would like to do, and I think it is their right to have that information, and (2) I would want to ensure that I would be supported with release time or space or whatever else I might need from the institution. However, this has always been of an informal nature in my experience. I am reacting to the labor-intensive, onerous procedure that was described in the post that we are reacting to.
Patricia Keith-Spiegel
----- Original Message ----- From: "Wallace Dixon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 10:13 AM Subject: Re: Institutional Grant Policies
Well, it can be more complicated that that. At ETSU we have a similar policy but it is to protect the institution from committing to matching funds it doesn't want to commit to, and to insure that if a grant comes with no F & A, there is sufficient justification. ETSU recently got an $8 million grant from the Tennessee Department of transportation to develop the Gray Fossil Site, which, as it turns out, is immensely important paleontologically. This grant comes with an $8 million matching requirement. Imagine if a lone investigator got this grant without anyone at the University approving the match in advance! Similarly, an institution isn't going to want to accept grants awarded to an individual unless the grant comes with some F & A to offset the costs of administering the grant at that institution, unless there are no costs to offset, or unless the project is important enough that the institution is willing to cover the costs itself. So some oversight is obviously required in these instances.
Wally Dixon
On 12/16/04 11:48 AM, "Patricia Spiegel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I never heard of such a thing! It sounds as if the institution is either terrified that someone is going to do something embarrassing (and doesn't trust its faculty) or that it wants to discourage grant-seeking (a peculiar reason, if true, because external grants bring a great deal to the institution's table.) I would also note that NIH no longer requires grant-seekers to get its own IRB approval until the grant is approved. However, my last point could be a clue. Your institution may not want such a surprise. I would want to know the reasoning behind this odd policy. Tricia Keith-Spiegel
----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBERT [EMAIL PROTECTED]@MATHSCIENCE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 7:23 AM Subject: Institutional Grant Policies
Our institution is in the process of developing an internal review process for any and all grants (federal, research, private, foundation, development, etc.). As it currently stands, our administration wants faculty to complete a 3 page document including abstract, preliminary budget, and signatures from at least 4 different administrators. On top of that, one must consult with a variety of different offices across campus to complete the form in many cases. All of this is just for "Concept Approval". The entire process must be repeated for "Final Approval" at which time the grant must be written and a detailed budget included. The impression I have is that the administration can refuse to allow one to submit a/any grant for a wide variety of reasons after it has already been written.
Do any of you have formalized policies in place that regulate/govern/control grant writing and grant submission activities at your institutions?
Thanks for your responses.
Rob Flint ---------------------------------- Robert W. Flint, Jr., Ph.D. Associate Professor of Psychology The College of Saint Rose
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