I assumed that the objection was animal-rights based.  If it is based on
we humans being so "special", there is enough information to show even
the most close-minded person that some things learned from animals have
helped humans.

As for David's question, it wouldn't surpise me if the objection came
from a student in a master's-level counseling program or even a PsyD. 
The quotes arund "professional" are well-placed.  (Maybe I've been
rightly admonished for putting them around "helping.")



Michael T. Scoles, Ph.D.
Interim Chair, Dept. Psychology & Counseling
University of Central Arkansas
Conway, AR 72035
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Maybe I didn't get it right, but I didn't come to the conclusion that 
it was animal research that the students were particularly concerned 
about, but using animal research to make inferences about human beings, 
who for many conservative students in my part of the country is 
sacrilegious.  For them, humans were created as we are and to try to 
suggest that we evolved from a lower species is just not okay.

Dr. Bob Wildlbood
Lecturer in Psychology
Indiana University Kokomo
Kokomo, IN  56904-9003
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On 26 Dec, 2004, at 14:13, Shearon, Tim wrote:

> I agree with David. But then I wondered if there are programs for 
> getting an undergraduate degree that don't use animal studies in their

> courses of study. (Personally, that is hard for me to fathom in light 
> of my own experiences). Are there people on the list who would have a 
> program allowing students who object to animal research (or whatever 
> name the students tend to give to it). I'm sure that some of our 
> students could get through and claim or even really not remember it 
> (sic) but I'm really wondering if there are undergraduate 
> counseling/SW tracks that might not include much reference to the 
> animal literature. Tim Shearon, Chair and professor of psychology, 
> Albertson College, Caldwell, ID 83605 (off list 
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Epstein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sun 12/26/2004 10:16 AM
> To:   Teaching in the Psychological Sciences
> Cc:   
> Subject:      Re: Conservative Students Target Liberal Profs
> On Sun, 26 Dec 2004, Annette Taylor, Ph. D. went:
>
>> Shades of when I taught a graduate course in adult development and
>> aging at a "professional" school--half the class stopped their
>> reading of the text (Handbook of the psychology of aging) because
>> one of the earlier papers mentioned evidence based on animal
>> studies. They were so offended at the idea of using animals in
>> research,
>
> They were in a professional graduate *psychology* program and they
> were startled to encounter a reference to lab-animal research?  How
> had they gotten that far?
>
> --David Epstein
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