Deb- I think this is probably extracted from the text sources
(historical). This sounds almost verbatim to the treatment of Helmholtz
in Boring. Those treatments usually treat Helmholtz as if he were some
kind of a pre-psychological campaigner. In fact, he saw psychology as a
retreat to vitalist superstition and as antiscientific. If you look at
the preface to his last text, for example, you'll see that he calls on
his students and followers to finish the job he started and show all of
psychology to be superstition and nonsense. If you go back to the
original writings, I just can't recollect anything he wrote that
suggested he ever did more than the mathematical proof of conservation
of energy. (But I'd have to go back and re-read all that since it is
only something I teach now as well. So I'm kind of doing the same thing
I'm accusing the textbooks of doing except I'm actually depending on my
own memory of Helmholtz as opposed to having never read it in the first
place, which some suggest is true of much of the psychological
information on him). :) Tim 

-----Original Message-----
From: Deb Briihl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:51 AM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences
Subject: Re: Helmhotz and frogs

I'm the one who asked that. Thanks - I wondered. Here is the quote from
the book that I am using
Hergenhahn: "While in the army, he was able to build a small laboratory
and to continue his early research, which concerned metabolic processes
in the frog. Helmholtz demonstrated that food and oxygen consumption
were able to account for the total energy that an organism expended. He
was thus able to apply the already popular principle of conservation of
energy to living organisms."
That isn't the only text that suggested that connection (although I have
no idea where I read it first).

At 10:51 AM 9/29/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>Yesterday on TIPS, someon asked about hos Helmholtz wenst about 
>measuring the amount of energy put into and expended by a frog (to 
>prove conservation of energy in living things). I've done a bit of 
>searching and consulting over the past day, and it appears at this 
>stage of my investigation that there was no such experiment conducted
by Helmholtz.
>His work on conservation of energy (1847 -- see my "Classics in the 
>History of Psychology" site) was theoretical. There may have been 
>(much) later experiments done by others along the lines suggested, but 
>I have not been able to find exact references. Helmholtz's primary work

>with frogs involved his measuring the speed of neural transmission, not

>conservation of energy. The two ideas may have become confused with 
>each other (as with many of these popular historical myths), resulting 
>in the idea of an experiment on conservation of energy involving frogs.
>
>Regards,
>--
>Christopher D. Green
>Department of Psychology
>York University
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