Christopher D. Green wrote:

The study in question was "wholly inadequate" not because it involved student evaluations but because student evaluations are the wrong observations to make in order to address the question I was on about.

How about the data collected by NSF and reported by the Higher Education Data Consortium? They consistently show that, if you control for size, many liberal arts colleges produce Ph. D's at a rate comparable to or better than the best research one universities. Now many of the faculty at these schools are researchers as well as teachers but many put teaching first. Faculty at our college involve students in research projects even if our main area of scholarship maybe in another area. We consistently out rank Harvard, in weighted Ph. D. rankings, even though we don't out score many other liberal arts colleges in the US News rankings. I think it is clear that how well one teaches research depends on more things than doing it.


 All Institutions: Total, All Disciplines    1992-2001

California Institute of Technology

        

1

Harvey Mudd College

        

2

Reed College

        

3

Swarthmore College

        

4

Massachusetts Institute of Technology

        

5

Carleton College

        

6

Oberlin College

        

7

Bryn Mawr College

        

8

University of Chicago

        

9

Yale University

        

10

Grinnell College

        

11

Princeton University

        

12

Haverford College

        

13

Cleveland Institute of Music

        

14

St. John's College

        

15

Rice University

        

16

Pomona College

        

17

*Kalamazoo College***

        

*18***

Amherst College

        

19

Juilliard School, The

        

20

Williams College

        

21

Harvard University

        

22

New England Conservatory of Music

        

23

Shimer College

        

24

Stanford University

        

25

Wesleyan University

        

26

Peabody Institute of Johns Hopkins University

        

27

Earlham College

        

28

Brown University

        

29

Beloit College

        

3

Bob Grossman
Kalamazoo College
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