I want to thank all who gave me feedback about their programs---BA or BS.  We 
are in the process of discussing the possible addition of courses for the 
major, under the assumption that more stringent requirements (science or psych 
courses) are typical of a BS degree and could be developed there.  Most people 
seemed happy with their programs tho some expressed misgivings about the BA.  
We appreciate all the views expressed as we "discuss" our options. 

 Personally, I think the distinctions are thin today, and I doubt that 
employers or grad schools really look at whether it is a BA or BS degree, but 
rather focus on the quality of the program.  I came here in 1981 and was 
pleasantly surprised to find that students with a bachelors were doing well in 
a variety of employment settings.  We have not conducted a survey in quite a 
while, but our guesstimate is that approximately 19% of our graduates go on to 
grad psych programs, and about two-thirds go on to some further 
training/education.  Many have gone on in other professional areas as social 
work, criminal justice, law enforcement, education and find work in local 
businesses, nursing homes, etc.  Our students and graduates benefit most from 
our Psych statistics and experimental psych classes as these provide skills 
that can have immediate value in market research, grant writing, and other jobs 
where scientific thinking or simple data crunching is needed.  Indeed, in the 
last survey conducted, I remember those two actually at the top in answer to 
the question of which classes they (alumni) found most useful.    I got in hot 
water one year when I was leading students to do market surveys for local 
businesses just to gain some field experience.  Local alumni doing survey and 
consulting work saw us as unfair competition---and they were right, but the 
students learned the value of their coursework!  
     As colleges have become the higher high school, with more vocational 
emphases, the value of the psych degree is challenged, but I feel it is still 
strong when coupled with emphases in business, social work, biology, pre-med 
sequences and other health or public policy sequences.  Psych faculty always 
like to hear when their students are going on to psych grad programs, but we 
don't often hear from other students who are doing well or not so well in 
immediate employment or other programs.  

I agree with Jim C's desire to have journalism students given a stronger 
background in the sciences, but I find it hard to find any real journalism, or 
any jobs requiring serious journalism in this country.  Newsrooms or 
info-tainment outlets are not putting money out expecting much in the way of 
full investigative reports.   I do not see any real science reporting locally, 
but I am sure there are some folks qualified to do that somewhere.  I assume 
journalism has become just a marketing branch of most business programs?  I 
think the psych degree provides better preparation for media work.   Gary 

Gerald L. (Gary) Peterson, Ph.D.
Professor, Psychology
Saginaw Valley State University
University Center, MI 48710
989-964-4491
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