Or, from a moral/ethical perspective, analogous to the Terri Schiavo case? Annette
Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology University of San Diego 5998 Alcala Park San Diego, CA 92110 619-260-4006 tay...@sandiego.edu ---- Original message ---- >Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:27:31 +0000 (UTC) >From: roig-rear...@comcast.net >Subject: Re: [tips] facilitated communication? >To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)" <tips@acsun.frostburg.edu> > > Thank you for the link, Scott. > > > > This is a sad case all around. My guess is that, in > spite of the evidence, the patient's family will > continue to believe that the communications are > Hoube's and not the facilitators. The dynamics of > the situation are analogous to those > of turn-of-the-century mourners who would eagerly > seek out mediums in hopes of communicating with > deceased loved ones. > > > > Miguel > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott O Lilienfeld" <slil...@emory.edu> > To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)" > <tips@acsun.frostburg.edu> > Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 9:46:29 AM GMT > -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: RE: [tips] facilitated communication? > > I agree with Miguel that there are two separate > issues at stake here. I also think it's an open > question whether Houben has at least some degree of > consciousness; based on the relatively minimal > information presented, it's difficult or impossible > to know. Neurologist Steve Novella has a pretty > good analysis of the issues on the Science-Based > Medicine blog: > > http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=1286 > > I'm watching CNN right now, and see that they're > still covering this story with no hint of > skepticism. Amazing..well then again, maybe not. > Happy Turkey Day to all....Scott > > > > ------------------------------------------------ > > From: roig-rear...@comcast.net > [roig-rear...@comcast.net] > Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:03 PM > To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) > Subject: Re: [tips] facilitated communication? > > To my mind the case of Rom Hoube raises two separate > issues. One issue concerns the question of whether > he is conscious to some degree. The second > is whether he is able to communicate. Scott and > others have clearly shown the dubiousness of Rom > Hoube's alleged communication abilities. However, I > am not certain what the basis is for skepticism > regarding the question of whether Rom exhibits some > degree of consciousness. Can someone point me to > discussion regarding the latter? > > > > Miguel > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott O Lilienfeld" <slil...@emory.edu> > To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)" > <tips@acsun.frostburg.edu> > Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 4:49:45 PM GMT > -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: RE: [tips] facilitated communication? > > See also: > > > http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-skeptical-psychologist/200911/coma-dubious-science-and-false-hope > > (apologies for the duplication to TIPs members who > are also PESTs members). Just got a call from the > Associated Press, so it seems that at least some > news organizations are on to the fact that something > is very fishy here. .....Scott > > Scott O. Lilienfeld, Ph.D. > Professor > Editor, Scientific Review of Mental Health Practice > Department of Psychology, Room 473 Psychology and > Interdisciplinary Sciences (PAIS) > Emory University > 36 Eagle Row > Atlanta, Georgia 30322 > slil...@emory.edu > (404) 727-1125 > > Psychology Today Blog: > http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-skeptical-psychologist > > 50 Great Myths of Popular Psychology: > http://www.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-140513111X.html > > Scientific American Mind: Facts and Fictions in > Mental Health Column: > http://www.scientificamerican.com/sciammind/ > > The Master in the Art of Living makes little > distinction between his work and his play, > his labor and his leisure, his mind and his body, > his education and his recreation, > his love and his intellectual passions. He hardly > knows which is which. > He simply pursues his vision of excellence in > whatever he does, > leaving others to decide whether he is working or > playing. > To him - he is always doing both. > > - Zen Buddhist text > (slightly modified) > > -----Original Message----- > From: sbl...@ubishops.ca [mailto:sbl...@ubishops.ca] > Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 3:38 PM > To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) > Subject: Re: [tips] facilitated communication? > > __New Scientist_ has an admiring piece on the > Pharyngula > man, P.Z. Myers, the "mild-mannered scourge of > creationists" at > http://tinyurl.com/yzlryj5 > > The third item in Myers' blog for today (at > http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/ ) > is the Rom Houben case of alleged recovery from a > vegetative > state. > > Myers, in addition to citing Randi and Arthur > Caplan, whom > we've previously noted, also cites and links to Orac > at > http://tinyurl.com/yf7zn9j > > Orac puts the case in the context of "Another > contender for the > worst reporting ever", the previous candidate being > none other > than Desiree Jennings, whom we've also recently > discussed. > > So dissent to the widespread uncritical reporting of > this "miracle" > is spreading, although still only a tiny fraction of > the total. How > long until Steven Laureys, the neurologist promoting > this, issues > an embarrassed retraction? I give him two weeks. > > And this post ties together three of our recent > concerns--Darwin, > Desiree, and Houben. > > Stephen > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Stephen L. Black, Ph.D. > Professor of Psychology, Emeritus > Bishop's University > e-mail: sbl...@ubishops.ca > 2600 College St. > Sherbrooke QC J1M 1Z7 > Canada > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --- > To make changes to your subscription contact: > > Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu) > > This e-mail message (including any attachments) is > for the sole use of > the intended recipient(s) and may contain > confidential and privileged > information. 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