Jim, I don't think either science or religion is intrinsically harmful or in conflict with the other, or is exclusive of the other. It is the extent to which people use, misuse, abuse one or the other--or both--or focus on one to the exclusion of the other. For example, if someone wants to say that a divine power created the universe and science describes the structure and operation of that universe, where's the conflict or the harm? In fact, both science and religion rest on faith: faith in the existence of a divine creative power however named or pictured or whatever; faith that everything is intelligible and is governed by universal laws. The great men of science such as Pico de Mirandola, Galileo, Copernicus, Kepler, Braehe, Bacon, Decartes, Newton saw no conflict between science and religion. The conflicts that arose in the 16th century was not between science and religion. It was between the conflicting views of the emerging belief in man's capacity to discover and know "truth" directly on one hand and an established, self-proclaimed infallible church's view that, given the blinding and deafening impact of original sin, absolute truth could only be obtained by divine revelation as handed down--professed (hence, professors)--through the clergy. That is why Pope triumphantly proclaimed, "Nature and Nature's law lay hid at night. God said, 'Let Newton be!' And all was light." Newton's three laws, all of which had the quality of divine truth discovered without having to go through the church, seems to prove the new assertion of man's noble capacity at the expense of the old belief in man's perverted limitations. It also led to the belief, as evidenced by the Deists, that the Creator had "written" an infallible, and intelligible manuscript. No, it was no longer the Bible whose infallibility was central to the religious crises called the Reformation that allowed for the appearance and survival of what is called the Age of Science and Age of Reason. The Creator's manuscript was Nature, and that manuscript was written in the language of mathematics. Our Declaration of Independence is a synoptic statement of the Deist that combines science and religion in a magnificant social statement. Make it a good day. --Louis-- Louis Schmier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Department of History http://www.halcyon.com/arborhts/louis.html Valdosta State University Valdosta, GA 31698 /~\ /\ /\ 912-333-5947 /^\ / \ / /~\ \ /~\__/\ / \__/ \/ / /\ /~\/ \ /\/\-/ /^\_____\____________/__/_______/^\ -_~ / "If you want to climb mountains, \ /^\ _ _ / don't practice on mole hills" - \____