Hi

Now that Marc has revealed his moral lapses when it comes to cockroaches, I 
feel more comfortable reporting my own "investigation" of the durability of the 
species (the big ones).  We had a few in our house in Greece a few years ago 
(until I plugged up a hole in the wall under the kitchen counters).  They would 
be seen when you turned on the lights in a dark room and they would quickly 
scurry into hiding.  I managed to catch one by covering it in a small plastic 
container.  I covered the top tightly with Saran wrap.  It was quite a few days 
(presumably without oxygen or food of any sort) before it failed to move when 
the container was shook.  At risk of anthropomorphizing (or engaging in moral 
justification), the cockroach never seemed to struggle or suffer very much, or 
at least there were no visible signs of such.  Another interesting observation 
was that there did not appear to be any "matter" excreted by the cockroach 
during the entire time, at least as far as I remember.  Do insects in general 
or cockroaches in particular excrete waste matter?

Take care
Jim

Jim Clark
Professor & Chair of Psychology
U Winnipeg
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From: Marc Carter [marc.car...@bakeru.edu]
Sent: June-14-13 10:35 AM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Subject: RE: [tips] For Your Next Lab Class: How To Build Your Own Cyborg 
Cockroach

Starship Troopers: loved the book, hated the movie -- too much gore and none of 
the good stuff (the drama, the sociology, etc).

And the German roach (I lived in Williamsburg, Brooklyn before moving here) 
doesn't really capture "cockroach" to me.  They're almost cute, except when you 
get an infestation.  Those giant winged bastards I grew up with, on the other 
hand...

And the story about the freezer is true: friend of mine and I captured on, put 
it in a little cage, and left it in the freezer for close to a half hour.  It 
was fine.

Then we shot it, and I am not sorry.  ;)

m

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Marc Carter, PhD
Associate Professor of Psychology
Chair, Department of Behavioral and Health Sciences
College of Arts & Sciences
Baker University
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Palij [mailto:m...@nyu.edu]
> Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 10:00 AM
> To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
> Cc: Michael Palij
> Subject: RE: [tips] For Your Next Lab Class: How To Build Your Own
> Cyborg Cockroach
>
> On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 07:31:31 -0700, Marc Carter wrote:
> >Lipstick on a pig.  It's always and ever going to be a cockroach, no
> >matter how robocopy you make it.  I have horror stories, and we kept a
> >very clean house when I was living down there.
> >Those things are NOT to be trifled with. Two-and-a-half inches of
> >winged evil.
>
> Just a couple of points:
>
> (1) My experience with cockroaches is almost exclusively with NY
> roaches which I believe are from the family of "German" roaches and
> rarely reach one inch in length (what New Yorkers call "waterbugs" are
> much larger bugs but are rare -- these look somewhat like that roaches
> in the video but I can't say for sure since it's been a while since I
> saw one up and personal).
>
> (2) I'm betting you're big fan of "Starship Troopers" and not for
> reasons having to do with either Robert Heinlein or Paul Verhoeven
> (also of Robocop fame).
> ;-)
>
> -Mike Palij
> New York University
> m...@nyu.edu

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