Access to the raw data by others would be an issue only if the file contained personal identifiers.
There has been a push to archive data for potential analysis by others (NSF has a whole section in its grants about archiving the data and making it available to others). I assume a researcher who wanted to review these files would not require local IRB approval to do so. Claudia _____________________________________________ Claudia J. Stanny, Ph.D. Director Center for University Teaching, Learning, and Assessment University of West Florida Pensacola, FL 32514 Phone: (850) 857-6355 (direct) or 473-7435 (CUTLA) csta...@uwf.edu CUTLA Web Site: http://uwf.edu/offices/cutla/ <http://uwf.edu/cutla/> Personal Web Pages: http://uwf.edu/cstanny/website/index.htm On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 8:43 AM, Ken Steele <steel...@appstate.edu> wrote: > I agree with Bill Scott about Green's odd defense of his culpability. I > have both provided and obtained raw data for reanalysis. If there is an > IRB issue then this can usually be resolved by providing an addendum to the > original request. Finally, as Mike P documented, Green and LaCour have a > history of shared work so it would not be odd for Green to check analyses > with the raw data. > > Ken > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Kenneth M. Steele, Ph. D. steel...@appstate.edu > Professor > Department of Psychology http://www.psych.appstate.edu > Appalachian State University > Boone, NC 28608 > USA > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > On 5/22/2015 8:24 AM, William Scott wrote: > >> There is something peculiar about Professor Green's spin on his own >> culpability in the matter. Even though he is the co-author, he claims not >> to have had access to the raw data because the study was not approved by >> Columbia's IRB, only by UCLA. >> >> I do not know of anything that forbids data analysis without local IRB >> approval. Am I missing something? >> >> Bill Scott >> >> ________________________________________ >> From: Stuart McKelvie<smcke...@ubishops.ca> >> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 7:36 PM >> To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) >> Subject: RE: [tips] Retraction of another psychology article >> >> Dear Tipsters, >> >> Last night, CBC's "As it Happens" broadcast a very interesting interview >> with Dr. Green. At that point he said that the graduate student had not >> admitted wrong doing. However, he said that the was almost certain that >> data were fabricated. >> >> You can listen here: >> >> http://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-tuesday-edition-1.3079544/researcher-retracts-landmark-same-sex-marriage-study-claims-co-author-fabricated-data-1.3080637 >> >> Sincerely, >> Stuart >> >> >> ______________________________ >> "Recti Cultus Pectora Roborant" >> >> Stuart J. McKelvie, Ph.D., >> Department of Psychology, >> Bishop's University, >> 2600 rue College, >> Sherbrooke (Borough of Lennoxville), >> QC J1M 1Z7, >> Canada. >> stuart.mckel...@ubishops.ca >> (819)822-9600X2402 >> >> "Floreat Labore" >> ______________________________ >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mike Palij [mailto:m...@nyu.edu] >> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 11:24 AM >> To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) >> Cc: Michael Palij >> Subject: Re: [tips] Retraction of another psychology article >> >> On Thu, 21 May 2015 07:37:48 -0700, Ken Steele wrote: >>> >>>> On 5/21/2015 10:13 AM, Jim Clark wrote: >>>> >>>> Not to quibble, but this study was carried out by Political >>>> Scientists. >>>> >>>> On Thursday, May 21, 2015 8:10 AM, Ken Steele originally wrote: >>>>> >>>>> http://retractionwatch.com/2015/05/20/author-retracts-study-of-changi >>>>> ng-minds-on-same-sex-marriage-after-colleague-admits-data-were-faked/ >>>>> >>>> >>> Oops! Please quibble. >>> >> >> Well, who am I to refuse an invitation? ;-) >> >> Though PolySci types, there is much here that is relevant to >> psychologists, especially methodologists. Putting the issue of fraud >> (unverifiable data collection and analysis in the first study of the >> retracted paper) aside, it is interesting to note that the authors Green >> and LaCour were co-authors on a previous paper. From scholar.google.com, >> here is the reference: >> >> Aronow, P. M., Gerber, A. S., Green, D. P., Kern, H.,& LaCour, M. J. >> (2015). >> Double Sampling for Nonignorable Missing Outcome Data in Randomized >> Experiments. >> >> Note #1: Apparently this is an unpublished manuscript and Google Scholar >> also has a 2014 version entry in its database. The link to the 2014 pdf of >> the article on scholar.google.com is dead but the link to the 2015 is >> alive. You can obtain the PDF of the manuscript here (for now): >> http://csap.yale.edu/sites/default/files/files/green2.pdf >> >> Note #2: Aronow is the first author of this paper. Aronow is also named >> in the Retraction Watch article as the person Green went to regarding the >> problems in the LaCour& Green manuscript >> >> Note #3: The PDF is available on Yale's "Center for the Study of American >> Politics" (CSAP). A search of the website for "Donald Green" and "Michael >> LaCour" turns up nothing -- it seems that the search "ANDs" the two names. >> A search using "Michael LaCour" provides no hits while a search using >> "Donald Green" >> produces two hits; see: >> http://csap.yale.edu/search/node/%22Donald%20Green%22 >> Both hits are to CSAP workshops on quantitative research methods. >> >> Note #4. One of the workshop that Green gave at CSAP is based on the >> manuscript identified above; see: >> >> http://csap.yale.edu/event/macmillan-csap-workshop-quantitative-research-methods-donald-green-double-sampling >> The workshop/presentation was being given at Yale's Institution for >> Social and Policy Studies (ISPS) which the page immediately above claims >> that Green was the director of during 1996-2011. >> >> Note #5: A search of ISPS for "Donald Green" and "Michael LaCour" >> produces no hits. A search for just "Donald Green" produces a number of >> hits (including the one at CSAP) plus others on topics such as regression >> discontinuity analysis (Political Analysis), ISPS Experiment workshop, and >> other political and methodological topics; see: >> http://isps.yale.edu/search/node/%22Donald%20Green%22#.VV32u1Ldb-o >> >> Looks like Yale doesn't want anything to do with Michael LaCour even >> though he is a co-author on a paper from one of their research centers. >> >> -Mike Palij >> New York University >> m...@nyu.edu >> >> >> > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to tips as: csta...@uwf.edu. > To unsubscribe click here: > http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13144.1572ed60024e708cf21c4c6f19e7d550&n=T&l=tips&o=44961 > or send a blank email to > leave-44961-13144.1572ed60024e708cf21c4c6f19e7d...@fsulist.frostburg.edu > --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@mail-archive.com. 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