Yes, I don't think it would be technically accurate to say that Pavlov and his colleagues were confusing Operant and Classical Conditioning, given that the two had not yet been distinguished at that point. You might say they were generalizing types of conditioning that had not yet been discriminated. From our more enlightened vantage point :) we can now see the difference but they didn't refer to it as Pavlovian or Classical Conditioning because there was just "conditioning" [probably incorrectly translated from Russian] which, as they noted on one of the cards in the film, that conditioned and unconditioned reflexes were "the basis of behavior not only in animals but also in man". So there were only conditioned and unconditioned reflexes. It was only later when Instrumental/Operant conditioning was identified that a distinction was made between "Instrumental/Operant" and "Classical/Pavlovian" conditioning.
In another example, Bekhterev originally saw avoidance learning (specifically, removing your finger from a shock plate when a signal occurred that predicted shock) as a type of association reflex (he wouldn't have called it Pavlovian conditioning since he didn't care much for Pavlov or his methods) but later, the phenomenon of avoidance was identified as a type of operant conditioning since the behavior operates on the environment to modify the consequences (removing your finger from the shock pad after hearing the signal meant that the person didn't experience the shock). Rick Dr. Rick Froman Professor of Psychology Box 3519 John Brown University 2000 W. University Siloam Springs, AR 72761 rfro...@jbu.edu (479) 524-7295 -----Original Message----- From: Jeffry Ricker, Ph.D. [mailto:jeff.ric...@scottsdalecc.edu] Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 2:00 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) <tips@fsulist.frostburg.edu> Subject: Re: [tips] Pavlovian "Operant" Conditioning? On Oct 21, 2015, at 10:29 AM, Michael Scoles <micha...@uca.edu> wrote: > What would happen if the child did not open his mouth? The problem seems > similar to distinguishing between voluntary and involuntary (conditioned) > eyeblinks in humans. Yes, I agree. I had to get to class, so I couldn't include some other thoughts I had at the time. But the distinction seems to involve more than just that between "classical" and operant conditioning. And the boy would have to know what a cookie was and that he had to open his mouth to eat the cookie before he could ever be reinforced for opening his mouth. One other thing: the term "reinforcement" was used in the film. It would have had to be translated into English from the original Russian subtitles, which makes me wonder if the term could have been translated in different ways. Jeff -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeffry Ricker, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Social/Behavioral Sciences Scottsdale Community College 9000 E. Chaparral Road Scottsdale, AZ 85256-2626 Office: SB-123 Fax: (480) 423-6298 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/DrJeffryRicker/timeline/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/pub/jeffry-ricker/3b/511/438 --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: rfro...@jbu.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13039.37a56d458b5e856d05bcfb3322db5f8a&n=T&l=tips&o=47073 or send a blank email to leave-47073-13039.37a56d458b5e856d05bcfb3322db5...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@mail-archive.com. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=47075 or send a blank email to leave-47075-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
