The primary purpose of this compromise is to unjam the many requests for
code
points that otherwise clog the WG and expert review process. I believe it
will at
least do that.

-Ekr


On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Benjamin Kaduk <bka...@akamai.com> wrote:

> Well, "most people [in the world" do not care about any documents the
> IETF puts out.  I am not sure what population of people you are actually
> trying to make a statement about.
>
> I am not confident that adding this column will actually have a useful
> impact, but I think the experiment is worth performing.
>
> -Ben
>
> On 03/31/2016 12:08 PM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
> > In essence you are saying that most people are not going to care about
> > the Y/N in the IANA table anyway. Somewhat similar to people not
> > understanding the difference between the different types of RFCs.
> >
> > That sounds pragmatic.
> >
> > Ciao
> > Hannes
> >
> > On 03/31/2016 06:52 PM, Benjamin Kaduk wrote:
> >> On 03/31/2016 11:20 AM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
> >>> Hi Ben,
> >>>
> >>> just think about the mentioned JPAKE extension: what type of deployment
> >>> can you expect? It is something that Thread decided to use. Will
> Thread,
> >>> as a mesh networking technology, be successful and widely be deployed?
> >>> We don't know yet but if it becomes a technology of choice for use with
> >>> IEEE 802.15.4 then it will be fairly widely used in the IoT sector. I
> am
> >>> sure the authors of the Thread specifications (and the members of the
> >>> Thread consortium) expect their stuff to be widely used (in IoT -- not
> >>> on the Web).
> >> Well, for JPAKE in particular, my thoughts focus on my perception that
> >> PAKE of any form is not really central to what TLS does.  Given that, I
> >> personally would not advocate for a 'Y' for it, even knowing that it
> >> might see wide use in IoT.
> >>
> >>> Is this something that is good enough for this group? Web guys will
> >>> hardly care about it. A large part of the TLS group is focused on the
> >>> Web use only (at least that's my impression).
> >>>
> >>> From the descriptions provided by Sean I don't know whether this is
> >>> something that would be a "Y" blessing or not. This is what I call
> >>> "sounds nice but ...".
> >>>
> >> Well, I would expect the authors to put the 'Y' in their IANA
> >> considerations text and see if anyone complained during the last calls.
> >> I further expect that some of the web-centric folks on this list would
> >> complain and probably get the 'Y' removed, but I am not seeing why this
> >> is problematic.
> >>
> >> -Ben
> >>
>
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