+1 to Stephen. Regards, Uri
Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 8, 2017, at 18:34, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farr...@cs.tcd.ie> wrote: > > > >> On 08/10/17 23:22, Eric Rescorla wrote: >> You seem to be responding to some other thread. > > Yep. I changed the subject line. > > Randy's substantive message however is crystal clear. And is > one that WG participants ought take to heart IMO. Pretending > that some changes to TLS would magically be limited in scope > to so-called "data centres" is BS. I'm really really puzzled > that some otherwise sensible folks appear unable to see that. > > S > > >> As both Adam Langley and I >> mentioned, none of the changes that anyone is investigating for reducing >> middlebox-induced breakage affect the cryptographic properties of TLS. >> >> -Ekr >> >> >>> On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Randy Bush <ra...@psg.com> wrote: >>> >>> there are a lot of us lurkers out here a bit horrified watching this wg >>> go off the rails. >>> >>> it would help if vendors of devices which break privacy would stop >>> speaking for 'datacenters' and let datacenters speak for themselves. i >>> have not seen any doing so. my $dayjob has >10 medium sized datacenters >>> serving everything from banks to telcos to scaled cloud services. i can >>> not find folk in our datacenter groups who see a need to break e2e >>> encryption. >>> >>> if the interception proposals ensured that user is notified and able to >>> prevent session interception, then i would believe this. but if they do >>> not, then let's face it, this is all about selling surveillance gear to >>> snooping enterprises and repressive regiemes where people with guns take >>> you away at 3am because your session was decoded. >>> >>> can we please provide real end to end privacy or call this wg something >>> else? >>> >>> randy >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TLS mailing list >>> TLS@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TLS mailing list >> TLS@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls >> > > _______________________________________________ > TLS mailing list > TLS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls
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