Hi all,

I've just uploaded a draft, below, describing several ideas we've been
mulling over regarding certificates in TLS. This is a draft-00 with a lot
of moving parts, so think of it as the first pass at some of ideas that we
think fit well together, rather than a concrete, fully-baked system.

The document describes a new certificate format based on Merkle Trees,
which aims to mitigate the many signatures we send today, particularly in
applications that use Certificate Transparency, and as post-quantum
signature schemes get large. Four signatures (two SCTs, two X.509
signatures) and an intermediate CA's public key gets rather large,
particularly with something like Dilithium3's 3,293-byte signatures. This
format uses a single Merkle Tree inclusion proof, which we estimate at
roughly 600 bytes. (Note that this proposal targets certificate-related
signatures but not the TLS handshake signature.)

As part of this, it also includes an extensibility and certificate
negotiation story that we hope will be useful beyond this particular scheme.

This isn't meant to replace existing PKI mechanisms. Rather, it's an
optional optimization for connections that are able to use it. Where they
aren't, you negotiate another certificate. I work on a web browser, so this
has browsers and HTTPS over TLS in mind, but we hope it, or some ideas in
it, will be more broadly useful.

That said, we don't expect it's for everyone, and that's fine! With a
robust negotiation story, we don't have to limit ourselves to a single
answer for all cases at once. Even within browsers and the web, it cannot
handle all cases, so we're thinking of this as one of several sorts of PKI
mechanisms that might be selected via negotiation.

Thoughts? We're very eager to get feedback on this.

David

On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 4:38 PM <internet-dra...@ietf.org> wrote:

>
> A new version of I-D, draft-davidben-tls-merkle-tree-certs-00.txt
> has been successfully submitted by David Benjamin and posted to the
> IETF repository.
>
> Name:           draft-davidben-tls-merkle-tree-certs
> Revision:       00
> Title:          Merkle Tree Certificates for TLS
> Document date:  2023-03-10
> Group:          Individual Submission
> Pages:          45
> URL:
> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-davidben-tls-merkle-tree-certs-00.txt
> Status:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-davidben-tls-merkle-tree-certs/
> Html:
> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-davidben-tls-merkle-tree-certs-00.html
> Htmlized:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-davidben-tls-merkle-tree-certs
>
>
> Abstract:
>    This document describes Merkle Tree certificates, a new certificate
>    type for use with TLS.  A relying party that regularly fetches
>    information from a transparency service can use this certificate type
>    as a size optimization over more conventional mechanisms with post-
>    quantum signatures.  Merkle Tree certificates integrate the roles of
>    X.509 and Certificate Transparency, achieving comparable security
>    properties with a smaller message size, at the cost of more limited
>    applicability.
>
>
>
>
> The IETF Secretariat
>
>
>
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