>> This is semantic silliness. As I'm sure you realize, the author
>> simply pointed out that it is the "human test" provided by TMDA that
>> allows us to block spam. Blocking spam is the goal; Turing tests are
>> the means. While not the only method, TMDA is quite effective
>> despite its inherent shortcomings.
> 
> But TMDA does not just rely on a "turing test".  TMDA also
> rely's on the fact that spammers forge From addresses, that the path
> of spam is often one directional.

I really don't see how TMDA relies on spammers spoofing their addresses. The
latter is unfortunate, but TMDA hardly relies on it. It's more of a grudging
acceptance of reality. Most challenges are sent to spoofed addresses, but
there's not much anyone can do about that. It's more important to make sure
that (a) recipient in-boxes aren't inundated, and (b) valid correspondents
are able to get through (albeit after going through the challenge).

>> If spammers automate C/R responses, C/R solutions such as TMDA will
>> respond with a more involved Turing test that will be very difficult
>> to automate.
> 
> Hmmmm.  I've corresponded with someone who finds basic C/Rs
> "extremely" annoying (his word, not mine).

Don't we all?

> He refuses to respond to them on principle. He claims he is not alone.

I'm sure he is not alone. But I personally have little desire to accommodate
obstinate folks. That type of response sounds to me like: "Sorry, but my
time is more important than your time." As has been said by others many
times before, I refuse (on principle) to allow my in-box to become a
hell-hole just because a few curmudgeons can't take five seconds out of
their day to do a one-time confirmation that they're human.

> He would probably find a more elaborate response requirement even more
> annoying.

Undoubtedly. But as Ole and others have said, if it's not worth it to take a
few moments to help stem the spam tide, then I can't say I'm going to miss
hearing from said individual(s).
 
> I'm not saying he's right, just that he exists, and I, or you,
> might someday want to exchange email with him.

Nobody questions whether C/R is annoying. But to shun it on principle is to
deny us the one truly useful weapon we have in this war. If you're not part
of the solution...

> Please don't get me wrong.  I think TMDA is darn nifty.  I
> really admire it.  I'm just wondering how much farther it can go.

We would all like to live in a world where TMDA and its ilk are not needed.
Somebody shoot me a note when the pigs start flying, would ya?  ;)

Justin

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