no way we may have a waiting list for some medical procedure but with regards to ANYONE diagnoise with a serious desease there is no waiting list. a case in poi8nt I have a neighbour diagnoised with Lung Cancer a week ago July 28th she will be going for a biopsy tomorrow morning August 4th. she will then begin treatment August 11th. I know because I will be going with her to the hospital as moral support. yes for hip surgery you must wait and many because of pain will elect to go to the states for treatment it is unfortunate especially for those who have to wait but that is our system. there are just so many surgeons and operating rooms available. whether you are employed or not EVERYONE is covered
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:09:07 -0700 From: tmic-digest-requ...@eskimo.com Subject: tmic-digest Digest V2009 #757 To: tmic-dig...@eskimo.com --Forwarded Message Attachment-- tmic-digest Digest Volume 2009 : Issue 757 Today's Topics: [TMIC] [ Gerry Surette <suret...@sympatico.c ] Re: [TMIC] [ CANDIS KALLEY <cakal...@embarqmail. ] Re: [TMIC] [ CANDIS KALLEY <cakal...@embarqmail. ] --Forwarded Message Attachment-- Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 13:26:44 -0400 From: suret...@sympatico.ca To: tmic-list@eskimo.com Subject: [TMIC] there is a recent question regarding health care in Canada. although I can not speak for other provinces I believe the the following is a standard practice among all Canadians. When One fills out their income tax one is charged $518.00 for medical prescriptions. when one fills out their income tax if one is a low income earner the amount is adjusted downwards. I guess the best example I can use is my own experience. I am allowed a maximun of $77.20 per month in prescription. anything over and above that is free or a a minimun cost for example the following is my own order place on July 31st . I must note here that I also have ITP metaformin amount 13.59 due 13.59 znaflex $145.10 due 47.36 baclofen 28.04 due $ 8.97 gabapentine $95.37 due $9.61 azayhioprine $33.60 due $00.00 total due 79.53 total amount charged without insurance $302.11 My wife's prescriptions are also included. and that is only one of bymonthly orders of meds. regarding health care as seen as various american tv infocommercials Canadians do not not go without necesary care . If per chance a needed operation cannot be performed in a province one is referred to another. if the operation cannot be performed in Canada but is available in the USA then the patient is referred to the medical center closest to the patient. all the costs are borne by our healthcare system. it is true that certain operations albiet necessaRY BUT NOT URGENT ARE POSTPONE UNTIL FACILITIES ARE AVAILABle. yes our waiting lists are long and for some of us we must wait. no one is denied hospital care no one regardless of their financial circumstances . everyone is treated equally. that is our healthcare system as a quebecer I also have access to the clsc a provincail body dedicated to the wellbeing of those of us who have disabilities. they came in accessed my situatioon and provided me WITHOUT ANY OUT OF POCKET EXPENSE. the following adjusted our bedroom to make it easier to climb in and out. they adjusted our bathroom to accomodate my entering and getting out including a special shower accessable in a sitting position. handle bars a raised toilet seat to make it easier to get up and down the list goes on a walker retail $549.00 with a seat as I get spasms every few steps. the list goes on. including a Physitherapist who comes in on a regular bases to do exercises with me. a clsc nurse who comes here to my apartment to take my blood give me my shots . including flu shots all at no cost to me. in Montreal I also have access to ADATPA BUS which will pick me up and bring me to any appointemt anywhere in Montreal at a total cost of $2.00 per trip. yes many of you americans feel that this is sociallized medicine but those who can afford the cost pay those who can't don't. I realize our health care system isn't perfect but to me and many others who suffer and have very limited income it is a welcome relief from our every day expenses. I hope this somewhat clarifies our situation her north of 60 --Forwarded Message Attachment-- Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 13:56:37 -0400 From: cakal...@embarqmail.com To: tmic-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [TMIC] Gerry, thank you for informing us below the 60. If you would and can, would you please answer a question I have. Given the case of my brother who was deemed pre-existing condition for cancer eventhou employed in the oil industry for almost 2 years, would a Canadian have to fight to get treatment given that 2 doctors deemed it necessary and ASAP? Would a cancer patient and/or their family have to fight to get treatment and on a list for what is our medicaid (public insurance as deemed by state) and then die before getting on that list? I will admit that my brother gave up physcially and mentally after 3 months but it took that long for all the red tape necessary to even get to the point of trying to get approved for medicaid. I also admit that I am extremely against insurance companies, which I call GIANT MADOFF companies only due to my experiences with insurance companies - not only health insurance companies but ALL insurance companies - they will take your money but if they have to pay out it is a battle royale and then they drop you whether they pay or not just for filing a claim! Schemes? - they have the hold on all of us right in the crouch and there is no way for any of us to win not even if you hold stock in the company because those at the top of the company get their "fair" share before anyone else! Candy K. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry Surette" <suret...@sympatico.ca> To: tmic-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 1:26:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [TMIC] there is a recent question regarding health care in Canada. although I can not speak for other provinces I believe the the following is a standard practice among all Canadians. When One fills out their income tax one is charged $518.00 for medical prescriptions. when one fills out their income tax if one is a low income earner the amount is adjusted downwards. I guess the best example I can use is my own experience. I am allowed a maximun of $77.20 per month in prescription. anything over and above that is free or a a minimun cost for example the following is my own order place on July 31st . I must note here that I also have ITP metaformin amount 13.59 due 13.59 znaflex $145.10 due 47.36 baclofen 28.04 due $ 8.97 gabapentine $95.37 due $9.61 azayhioprine $33.60 due $00.00 total due 79.53 total amount charged without insurance $302.11 My wife's prescriptions are also included. and that is only one of bymonthly orders of meds. regarding health care as seen as various american tv infocommercials Canadians do not not go without necesary care . If per chance a needed operation cannot be performed in a province one is referred to another. if the operation cannot be performed in Canada but is available in the USA then the patient is referred to the medical center closest to the patient. all the costs are borne by our healthcare system. it is true that certain operations albiet necessaRY BUT NOT URGENT ARE POSTPONE UNTIL FACILITIES ARE AVAILABle. yes our waiting lists are long and for some of us we must wait. no one is denied hospital care no one regardless of their financial circumstances . everyone is treated equally. that is our healthcare system as a quebecer I also have access to the clsc a provincail body dedicated to the wellbeing of those of us who have disabilities. they came in accessed my situatioon and provided me WITHOUT ANY OUT OF POCKET EXPENSE. the following adjusted our bedroom to make it easier to climb in and out. they adjusted our bathroom to accomodate my entering and getting out including a special shower accessable in a sitting position. handle bars a raised toilet seat to make it easier to get up and down the list goes on a walker retail $549.00 with a seat as I get spasms every few steps. the list goes on. including a Physitherapist who comes in on a regular bases to do exercises with me. a clsc nurse who comes here to my apartment to take my blood give me my shots . including flu shots all at no cost to me. in Montreal I also have access to ADATPA BUS which will pick me up and bring me to any appointemt anywhere in Montreal at a total cost of $2.00 per trip. yes many of you americans feel that this is sociallized medicine but those who can afford the cost pay those who can't don't. I realize our health care system isn't perfect but to me and many others who suffer and have very limited income it is a welcome relief from our every day expenses. I hope this somewhat clarifies our situation her north of 60 --Forwarded Message Attachment-- Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 14:34:57 -0400 From: cakal...@embarqmail.com To: tmic-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [TMIC] I found this article http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/07/31/EDLK191IT3.DTL Is this the one that you meant, Regina? Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably . And never regret anything that made you smile. Prayers and thoughts for you and yours, Candy K. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Regina Rummel" <regina...@sbcglobal.net> To: "CANDIS KALLEY" <cakal...@embarqmail.com> Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 2:26:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [TMIC] Candy, I want you to google the July 31, 2009 opinion section of the San Francisco Chronicle, then click of David Sirota. You will find it very enlightening. It will re enforce your views at the risk of making you sick. R From: CANDIS KALLEY <cakal...@embarqmail.com> To: tmic-list <tmic-list@eskimo.com> Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 10:56:37 AM Subject: Re: [TMIC] Gerry, thank you for informing us below the 60. If you would and can, would you please answer a question I have. Given the case of my brother who was deemed pre-existing condition for cancer eventhou employed in the oil industry for almost 2 years, would a Canadian have to fight to get treatment given that 2 doctors deemed it necessary and ASAP? Would a cancer patient and/or their family have to fight to get treatment and on a list for what is our medicaid (public insurance as deemed by state) and then die before getting on that list? I will admit that my brother gave up physcially and mentally after 3 months but it took that long for all the red tape necessary to even get to the point of trying to get approved for medicaid. I also admit that I am extremely against insurance companies, which I call GIANT MADOFF companies only due to my experiences with insurance companies - not only health insurance companies but ALL insurance companies - they will take your money but if they have to pay out it is a battle royale and then they drop you whether they pay or not just for filing a claim! Schemes? - they have the hold on all of us right in the crouch and there is no way for any of us to win not even if you hold stock in the company because those at the top of the company get their "fair" share before anyone else! Candy K. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry Surette" <suret...@sympatico.ca> To: tmic-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 1:26:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [TMIC] there is a recent question regarding health care in Canada. although I can not speak for other provinces I believe the the following is a standard practice among all Canadians. When One fills out their income tax one is charged $518.00 for medical prescriptions. when one fills out their income tax if one is a low income earner the amount is adjusted downwards. I guess the best example I can use is my own experience. I am allowed a maximun of $77.20 per month in prescription. anything over and above that is free or a a minimun cost for example the following is my own order place on July 31st . I must note here that I also have ITP metaformin amount 13.59 due 13.59 znaflex $145.10 due 47.36 baclofen 28.04 due $ 8.97 gabapentine $95.37 due $9.61 azayhioprine $33.60 due $00.00 total due 79.53 total amount charged without insurance $302.11 My wife's prescriptions are also included. and that is only one of bymonthly orders of meds. regarding health care as seen as various american tv infocommercials Canadians do not not go without necesary care . If per chance a needed operation cannot be performed in a province one is referred to another. if the operation cannot be performed in Canada but is available in the USA then the patient is referred to the medical center closest to the patient. all the costs are borne by our healthcare system. it is true that certain operations albiet necessaRY BUT NOT URGENT ARE POSTPONE UNTIL FACILITIES ARE AVAILABle. yes our waiting lists are long and for some of us we must wait. no one is denied hospital care no one regardless of their financial circumstances . everyone is treated equally. that is our healthcare system as a quebecer I also have access to the clsc a provincail body dedicated to the wellbeing of those of us who have disabilities. they came in accessed my situatioon and provided me WITHOUT ANY OUT OF POCKET EXPENSE. the following adjusted our bedroom to make it easier to climb in and out. they adjusted our bathroom to accomodate my entering and getting out including a special shower accessable in a sitting position. handle bars a raised toilet seat to make it easier to get up and down the list goes on a walker retail $549.00 with a seat as I get spasms every few steps. the list goes on. including a Physitherapist who comes in on a regular bases to do exercises with me. a clsc nurse who comes here to my apartment to take my blood give me my shots . including flu shots all at no cost to me. in Montreal I also have access to ADATPA BUS which will pick me up and bring me to any appointemt anywhere in Montreal at a total cost of $2.00 per trip. yes many of you americans feel that this is sociallized medicine but those who can afford the cost pay those who can't don't. I realize our health care system isn't perfect but to me and many others who suffer and have very limited income it is a welcome relief from our every day expenses. I hope this somewhat clarifies our situation her north of 60