On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Nicholas Marriott <
nicholas.marri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Actually we already have "tmux list-commands" so you could just make a
> flag to show a short version of this (command names only), add the
> START_SERVER flag and alias "help" to it. This might also be good for
> people writing shell completions.
>
> Or it might be better a new command which also printed a line pointing
> to the man page, and maybe showed command usage for a specific command
> if it is given as an argument.
>
> If you do either I'll take a look but I think I would recommend a new
> command here.
>
> But I am not going to agree with --help or other long options and
> duplicating text between the man page and the code.
I see. Man pages is probably a main conflicting point. I was born after the
Unix, so the web became more natural source of information for me. If I
need to use new program such as tmux - I first type "-h" to read what is
does. If there is no such information - I search about chapter on official
site or wikipedia. If "tmux" doesn't appear to be intuitive enough I type
"tmux tutorial" in search form. If my brain is locked up trying to remember
the shortcuts - I type "tmux cheatsheet". Only if I offline, I have a
chance to type "man tmux" and start reading it.
I am a user - not a sysadmin, so most of the time I spend in browser.
> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 08:45:10AM +0000, Nicholas Marriott wrote:
> > There is no way tmux will support -h or --help unless you can change the
> > consensus on OpenBSD, or at least other common OpenBSD ports to Linux
> > like OpenSSH.
> >
> > However we already have "ambiguous command" matching:
> >
> > $ tmux lis
> > ambiguous command: lis, could be: list-buffers, list-clients,
> > list-commands, list-keys, list-panes, list-sessions, list-windows
> >
> > So the most persuasive thing to implement would be to special-case "tmux
> > help" to list all commands, or even to run "man tmux" if you think that
> > is better. Although I think in the latter case you will need to explain
> > why "tmux help" is easier than "man tmux" :-).
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 08:37:40AM +0000, Nicholas Marriott wrote:
> > > "You don't want to do it" is not a good argument for changing it.
> > >
> > > A poll is not going to help. This is not a democracy. You need to give
> > > reasons.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 11:26:32AM +0300, anatoly techtonik wrote:
> > > > Yes. I think it needs to be changed. The other aspect that you
> probably
> > > > don't want to change, because you've used to it and therefore it
> is a work
> > > > that you're not interested in. I think the only solution here is
> to run a
> > > > poll as a proof to show that this behavior really provides a
> value (or
> > > > not).
> > > > --
> > > > anatoly t.
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Nicholas Marriott
> > > > <[1]nicholas.marri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I do not think it needs to change. Do you?
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 11:08:36AM +0300, anatoly techtonik
> wrote:
> > > > > ** **On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 12:44 AM, Nicholas Marriott
> > > > > ** **<[1][2]nicholas.marri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > ** ** **tmux is a BSD program and traditionally BSD programs
> do not
> > > > support -h,
> > > > > ** ** **--help or indeed any extended built-in help beyond
> the usage
> > > > string. You
> > > > > ** ** **should be able to see the tmux help with "man tmux".
> > > > >
> > > > > ** **That year this tradition comes down from?
> > > > > ** **Don't you think that things need to be changed?
> > > > > ** **In other word s- do you have arguments to keep the
> things as is
> > > > in 201x+?
> > > > > ** **--**
> > > > > ** **anatoly t.**
> > > > >
> > > > > References
> > > > >
> > > > > ** **Visible links
> > > > > ** **1. mailto:[3]nicholas.marri...@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > References
> > > >
> > > > Visible links
> > > > 1. mailto:nicholas.marri...@gmail.com
> > > > 2. mailto:nicholas.marri...@gmail.com
> > > > 3. mailto:nicholas.marri...@gmail.com
>
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