Well, if you can debug this and find the real cause and a fix - I'm sure someone will look at it.
But please understand that Remy and the other tomcat developers deal with a lot of bugs, and usually it's frustrating to deal with bugs that happen only on certain situations. If Java code behaves correctly on most platforms - but it doesn't work on few distributions - you may as well report this as a bug to either Sun or the distribution. BTW, we are engineers, not PR people - so 'crappy' comments may happen :-)
So if you have a patch or workaround - please reopen the bug and add the fix. It would be a better way to spend the time instead of arguing about closing/not closing it or hurt feelings :-)
Costin
Al Sutton wrote:
In answer to your points;
on 3) I'm not asking for it tested on all distros, just those where issues have arisen. If no-one has FC2 installed then thats something the group should know about and should be able to say "Sorry, no-one has FC2", rather than "Closed bug, doesn't work on [insert name of totally different platform here]".
The users mail list has a report from Drew Jorgenson if it not working on RHAS 3, and I can confirm I've also seen the behaviour on SLES8 (i.e. a non-redhat product), so I don't think it's distribution specific.
on 4) It's never good to write that any other groups efforts off as crappy, I'm sure this group wouldn't be happy if the Fedora group described Tomcat as crappy. We're all doing our best (yes, I have released some open source code in the past), and it worried me that the "crappy" comment was made and no-one else stepped in to be a bit more helpful.
on 5) Given your response I'm happy to offer help with FC2 related problems. I wasn't willing to make this offer before because it seemed the only responses I had were aimed more at getting the bug marked as closed than investigating where the problem was. I'll keep an eye on the -dev list (but unfortunatley I don't have time to look at all the bug report comments) and if I see a problem with FC2 I will attempt to dupluicate it. In case your wondering what my experience is I've been a Linux sys admin for 11 years, and have been programming system in Java for about 8 years with the last 5 spent focused on developing high performance server side applications for Teleco's and Financial institutions, which hopefully will allow me to assist in some way.
on the last paragraph - I completely agree. If people know which platforms are fully supported (i.e. if bugs are reported someone can test them easilly) it will make life a lot easier. You'll probably find that in return for listing a platform as full supported the distributor may be receptive to including Tomcat in their product.
Costin, I'd like to thank you for the sending the first comprehensive response which makes me feel that users bugs are taken seriously, and not treated as something that should be closed at any costs.
Regards,
Al.
-----Original Message----- From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Costin Manolache Sent: 02 February 2005 21:22 To: tomcat-dev@jakarta.apache.org Subject: Re: DO NOT REPLY [Bug 33339] - Shutdown script down not work
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3) Cygwin is definatley NOT a good platform for testing Linux bugs on.
However testing with all possible linux distributions is not a good choice either.
And distributions based on 'latest' version of everything plus all kind of experimental/non stable/vendor specific stuff - like fedora - are not the best choice for a supported platform.
Can you reproduce it on RHEL or RH9 ? If not - report the bug on fedora.
4) Do you want to tell the Fedora guys that the Tomcat developers official view of Fedora Core 2 is that its' a "crappy distro"?
It is not 'official view' - but some developers have issues with FC :-)
5) Do you expect me to re-install my system just to get Tomcat working?, It's easier to replace Tomcat with Jetty than it would be to resintall my machine with one of the distros that you don't consider "crappy"
I believe a lot of products ( and not only java ) officially support only few distributions. We can't ask you to re-install your system - but you can't ask us to reinstall and test your favorite distro either. There are just too many incompatible linux distributions.
If jetty works on your linux distro - just use it. It's a fine open source product. Or you can use resin or any other server.
Now I'd like to help resolve this, but at the moment all I'm seeing is a wall of "not interesting, can't be bothered, lets' mark it as invalid because I can't reproduce on my own personal setup". Which kinda
Probably the comments should be more explicit - like 'unsupported platform / not reproductible on supported platforms '.
Costin
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