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------- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2005-02-08 21:48 -------
(In reply to comment #22)
> "When packaged right" JCL will only use java.util.logging, isn't that
> a fact? Remy, have your *ever* used Tomcat with log4j in a production
> environment?
I use Tomcat with log4j in production all the time.  It works very well, when 
packaged right ;-).

> I guess that the people using commons-logging probably do not realize
> how badly JCL is broken. Given that you yourself admit not having
> being familiar with the JCL implementation, you apparently do not
> understand that JCL is much more complicated than UGLI.

Of course JCL is much more complicated than UGLI, since UGLI expects you to 
create a properties file on the CP, and is useless if you forget (you don't 
even get log4j :).  However, IMHO, that complication is necessary for logging 
in a container environment.  

I'm also -1 on having UGLI Tomcat code, and +0 for having an optional example 
of j.u.l.LogManager.


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