Well said.

John


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Eggers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 5:13 PM
> To: Tomcat Users List
> Subject: RE:I don4t understand the objective of this open list!
> 
> 
> I agree as well.  There is a lot of documentation out
> there.
> 
> Is it always in the form that I find most easily
> digestable?  Probably not.  Do I have to rely on
> examples, the source code, and some judicious
> tinkering?  Probably.
> 
> However, complaining about it and asking generic
> questions like "URGENT - WHY DOESN'T THIS WORK?" 
> doesn't get the questions answered.
> 
> Here are the assumptions I work under.  Be aware that
> they are assumptions . . . .
> 
> 1. Tomcat is a reasonably complex piece of software.
> 2. Members of the list have varying levels of
> expertise.
> 3. Members of the list contribute time and energy
> without material compensation.
> 
> So, when I run into a problem with (pick your favorite
> Apache technology), there is a systematic way I go
> about things.
> 
> 0. Read the documentation.
> 
> 1. Start with "baby" steps.
> This means find an Apache example that is similar to
> what I'm doing, and attempt to understand it one step
> at a time.
> 
> 2. Change one thing at a time.
> 
> 3. When stuck, reproduce the problem with the smallest
> amount of extra 'code'.
> 
> 4. Search the archives for problems similar to mine. 
> Remember that people will often arrive at the same
> problem from different directions, so search
> accordingly.
> 
> 5. Ask a succinct (not like this message!) question of
> the mailing list.
> 
> As a courtesy, as you have been helped, so shall you
> help.  If you're fairly new to this stuff like myself
> (at least in any real depth), then keep your answers
> simple, and base it on your direct experience.
> 
> Finally, if the document is really insufficient write
> your own based on your own experience.  If people find
> it helpful, return the document to the Jakarta
> project.  That way we all benefit.  New people get up
> to speed faster, the mailing list does not get [as
> many] repeat questions, and we all get to attack more
> complex problems with Tomcat.
> 
> /mde/
> 
> just my two cents . . . .
> 
> PS - Yes, this is freely available software, and there
> is not necessarily a staff of engineers to help you
> understand it.  This means you must do more of the
> work yourself in understanding the system.  I happen
> to think that this is a benefit, since you now have
> knowledge of the principles behind JSP / Servlets, and
> their containers.  This knowledge of the principles
> can be leveraged in understanding other web
> application environments.
> 
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