Am I right to think that if jvm crashes...Once writing to core file is finished, jvm can be restarted..(that is what we have been doing--jvm crashes, of course tomcat too)
AND crontab say 5 min later..launches this java programme, which will restart tomcat..this is not a thread..just a java programme...that is the reason I am trying to launch it from crontab...


When jvm crashes it writes its report..and goes away from the memory..You can still launch a java programme after this crash (like launching tomcat again after the crash)..

..

--tomcat running
--jvm crashes..
--crontab launches my watcher (written in java)
--my application checks if tomcat is running...and restarts is necessary..
--if my programme is running at the time of crash..my programme crashes too...but 5 min later my programme is activated by crontab again..



Am I missing something here?


Take care..

Ayhan



At 10:12 AM 2/25/03 -0500, you wrote:

Well, if the JVM is "crashed", how can a program or application written in
Java help you manage Tomcat?  That was the point.

John

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ayhan Peker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 9:43 AM
> To: Tomcat Users List
> Subject: RE: crontab problems
>
>
> I have no problems with tomcat...
>
> But sometimes under heavy load jvm 1.4 crashes...
> see the links:
>
> Ok this is the bug:
> http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4779653.html
> unfortunately it is closed, affects 1.4.1 and will not
> apparently be fixed.
> It oiccurs in large apps under load.on Linux and Solaris (
> and most likely
> Windows )
> It is related to / a copy of the following bug which
> http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4724356.html
>
>
>
>
> what is the best suggestion?
>
> just trying to determine if tomcat is running..
> if not i will restart it ..
> (jvm just crashed last saturday night....I did not know
> anything until the
> sunday evening)..
>
>
> At 09:29 AM 2/25/03 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >Yes, Tomcat is generally very stable.  But: Trust, but verify. ;)
> >
> >John
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Hannes Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 9:23 AM
> > > To: Tomcat Users List
> > > Subject: Re: crontab problems
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes, using wget is probably the second best solution. The
> > > best one is to
> > > find the reason why Tomcat crashes at all, since it generally
> > > is a stable
> > > and reliable product.
> > >
> > > Cron doesn't execute more than once a minute (at least mine
> > > doesn't) which
> > > still is quite often. 5 or 10 minutes would be ok too. But
> > > that's a matter
> > > of taste, really.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Turner, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "'Tomcat Users List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 3:00 PM
> > > Subject: RE: crontab problems
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Agreed...using a Java program to watch Tomcat seems a
> > > little circular.
> > > > Plus, I don't see any sort of delay or "sleep" in the
> poster's JAva
> > > > code...it looks like it just keeps hammering at Tomcat, as
> > > the cron job is
> > > > "* * * * *".  Creating all those Runtime objects over and
> > > over can't be
> > > > helping performance any.
> > > >
> > > > A simple shell script using wget would be fine...sure, you
> > > can watch the
> > > > output of "ps -ef", but that doesn't tell you if Tomcat
> is accepting
> > > > requests or not.  There could be an entry for Tomcat in the
> > > process table,
> > > > but Tomcat could be refusing requests.
> > > >
> > > > I just write a simple JSP page that outputs the contents of
> > > a variable,
> > > like
> > > > "***SUCCESS***" or something like that, then use wget to
> > > grab that page
> > > > every so often and check for the string in the output...if
> > > it's there,
> > > > things should be OK (there are no guarantees).  If it's
> > > not, you have a
> > > > problem.  This way, the JSP page is compiled and cached by
> > > Tomcat, it uses
> > > > very little memory, and doesn't bog down the server.
> > > >
> > > > There are plenty of other alternatives much more robust
> > > than a simple
> > > shell
> > > > script...you could use Netsaint/Nagios, Big Brother, and a
> > > whole bunch of
> > > > others.
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Hannes Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 6:29 AM
> > > > > To: Tomcat Users List
> > > > > Subject: Re: crontab problems
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Right, you might also just put
> > > > >
> > > > > JAVA_HOME=...
> > > > >
> > > > > at the beginning of your crontab.
> > > > >
> > > > > I assume you have good reasons to use a Java program to
> > > watch Tomcat.
> > > > > Personally, I would have written a shell script. If you
> > > > > really want to use
> > > > > Java, you might want to use a different, more reliable
> > > > > approach to detect
> > > > > (un)availability of Tomcat, something like
> > > > >
> > > > > import java.net.*;
> > > > > URL url = new URL( "http://localhost:8080/examples"; );
> > > > > URLConnection con = url.openConnection();
> > > > > con.setUseCaches( false );
> > > > > con.connect();
> > > > > if( con.getContentLength() > 0 ) {
> > > > >     // restart tomcat
> > > > > }
> > > > >
> > > > > But I just wrote this out of my head ...
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Ralph Einfeldt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > To: "Tomcat Users List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 10:43 AM
> > > > > Subject: RE: crontab problems
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You have to make shure that your script retstart_tomcat
> > > > > sets and exports all needed environment variables before
> > > > > calling ./startup.sh:
> > > > >
> > > > > JAVA_HOME=/usr/local/java/jdk1.3.1
> > > > > CATALINA_HOME=<path to tomcat installation>
> > > > > CATALINA_BASE=<path to tomcat instance> or $CATALINA_HOME
> > > > > # JAVA_OPTS='-client -v'
> > > > >
> > > > > export JAVA_HOME CATALINA_HOME CATALINA_BASE JAVA_OPTS
> > > > > ./startup.sh
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Ayhan Peker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 10:30 AM
> > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > Subject: crontab problems
> > > > > >
> > > > > > but the last two lines returns
> > > > > > /////////////////////////
> > > > > > The JAVA_HOME environment variable is not defined
> > > > > > message..
> > > > > > /////////////////////////
> > > > > > my retstart_tomcat scrip is
> > > > > > #!/bin/sh
> > > > > > cd /usr/local/tomcat/bin
> > > > > > ./startup.sh
> > > > >
> > > > >
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