It is simply beyond me how anyone can get any satisfaction from making a QSO using a web SDR; ultimately of course they are fooling themselves into believing that they have a high performance station when the opposite is true.
It took me 33 years to work KH6 on 160m - an unforgettable experience and one of the best moments of my Amateur Radio 'career'; the same RX/TX antenna is still in the air and occasionally when out in the field I still hear myself saying "Did I really work Zone 31 on that"? ): 73 Cris GM4FAM > Why use SDRs when there are Beverages, Pennants, K9AY loops? does one > feel satisfied knowing he/she worked a rare DX station using someone > else's RX antennas? if you are really into DXing you will feel bad > about it. > > T32C heard 3 times now using single 170m long beverage towards W6 > (recording available for anyone who wants to know how it sounds in > Northern CT). > > If you hear it, you work it, simple as this. > > Filipe CT1ILT aka CR6K > > > > Citando Kostas Stamatis <sv1...@otenet.gr>: > >> Anyone who makes available his sdr without delay, just helps cheaters. >> We >> all know some of them who use a sdr receiver to make qsos. Maybe there >> is no >> need anymore to learn the calls. Just stop this. A delay of 1min for >> example >> is perfect to enjoy all the goods of an sdr receiver without helping >> cheaters. I don't know if software allows it but i don't think it is >> difficult. >> 73 Kostas sv1dpi >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Thorvaldur Stefansson" <otrada...@gmail.com> >> To: "Brendan Minish" <ei6iz.bren...@gmail.com>; <topband@contesting.com> >> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 7:47 PM >> Subject: Re: Topband: Web SDR's and 'Cheating' >> >> >>> hello Brendan, >>> >>> Perhaps this thread is too old, but I only now came across it, sorry if >>> the >>> subject has been beaten to death already. >>> >>> As you may know I have served my Perseus SDR receiver over the internet >>> for >>> almost a year - it never occurred to me that people would use it for >>> cheating purposes. I found the experiment interesting for a variety >>> of >>> technical issues - it also pleased me to allow remote users to >>> experience >>> what Zero Noise level sounds like. Obviously the issues are the same >>> whether a SDR or a regular remote receiver is used for cheating. >>> >>> http://microtelecom.it/map/PerseusServers.html shows a map of remote >>> Perseus receivers. >>> >>> However, reading your post on the topband reflector got me thinking >>> that >>> the >>> scenario was familiar....: >>> >>> I am hearing a station in the Caribbean on 160m with strong signals and >>> I >>> start calling him thinking he will be an easy QSO.... I call him >>> constantly >>> for about two hours without luck. >>> >>> In the beginning I do not have any propagation to EU, but he is working >>> EU >>> with a fairly good rate. >>> >>> When his signals have almost disappeared (RST 339) at my location and >>> propagation has changed from TF to EU away from the Caribbean (!), he >>> finally hears me and we had a QSO. >>> >>> This is cheating on so many levels I don?t know where to begin... >>> >>> the DX station is listening to a receiver located in EU - and because >>> the >>> DX >>> has a good transmit antenna on an island surrounded by Salt Water he >>> has a >>> relatively good signal in EU - but the DX suffers from high tropical >>> noise >>> making it difficult for him to hear the weaker signals. >>> >>> With the remote receiver, he can now clearly hear even the poorest >>> signal >>> from EU - stations with poor antennas are now able to "work" the DX >>> station >>> even though their setups should not be able to work any DX contacts at >>> all - >>> on the cluster the DX is spotted "good ears" "hears well" "worked with >>> 5 >>> watts and window antenna" and so on.... >>> >>> At the same time, one of the most powerful stations on the planet is >>> unable >>> to get through since I did not have propagation to EU! >>> >>> >>> All the effort of building a superb station, trying to make use of >>> elusive >>> short propagation openings, all of this is flushed down the >>> toilet....and >>> I >>> am hearing that contesters have been doing this for years ! >>> >>> So this is the reason that the 599+40 station can?t hear me! not even >>> a ? >>> sometimes. >>> >>> And here I was naive enough to think there was a rational explanation >>> - >>> this might be because the stations were using directive antennas and >>> were >>> listening in another direction - certainly plausible, I myself have >>> long >>> Beverage antennas which will have this effect....I have even heard this >>> explained as "one way propagation".... >>> >>> I well remember my QSO with KH2L on Top Band a few years ago that was >>> ruined >>> by HB9... who was obviously using a remote receiver to help him hear >>> the >>> DX >>> - the HB9 kept calling completely out of sync about 30 seconds off sync >>> right on top of my transmissions during the QSO, he managed to ruin my >>> QSO >>> completely and it took me a whole year before I heard and worked KH2L >>> again.....I remember there was a russian station who was also calling >>> in >>> sync with the HB9 - both obviously with a similar internet delay. >>> >>> I have decided not to make my Perseus receiver available over the >>> internet >>> anymore because of these issues. >>> >>> Not naming the cheater only serves to create suspicion on other DX >>> stations >>> and ruins the sense of accomplishment in making long haul DX contacts. >>> >>> Any contacts made in this manner are not valid for any award purposes >>> - >>> after all they are simply contacts over the Internet - only by naming >>> the >>> cheaters can we put a stop to these practices - at the very least we >>> should >>> not tolerate this behavior on 160 Meters. >>> >>> 73 Thor, TF4M >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Hello all >>> >>> I have a Software Defined Receiver (SDR) that I make available when I >>> am >>> not using it for others to use. it's an SDR-14 and is usually connected >>> to one of my beverages via a multi-coupler so it hears and performs >>> well >>> Software wise , anyone using sdrradio can connect to it. >>> the latency is alos very low with sdrradio. >>> >>> I am happy to make this available to others because in turn I enjoy >>> using internet connected SDR's provided by others >>> >>> last night however I took a listen to what the connected user was >>> listening to, It turns out that the connected user was a DX station >>> utilising my SDR to work 160m SSB. He had a pileup of EU stations and >>> was utilising my SDR to better hear his pileup. >>> Surely this is 'not on' After all the EU stations may have been able to >>> hear him (although I could not copy him better than about 21 here) >>> But he was using a receiver within Europe to hear the EU stations >>> calling. >>> >>> What is the ethical position on this, it sure seems wrong to me >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> 73 >>> Brendan EI6IZ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK >> > > _______________________________________________ > UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK > _______________________________________________ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK