Wow, I thought this reflector was for topics pertaining to Top-Band. I for one have enjoyed the lively exchange of ideas and views in the recent radial exchange. I do believe that something was gained for top-band as a result. Exactly what this reflector is for. I took a moment and looked up diatribe as I am getting older. Diatribe, no, just passion for beliefs. I dare say after over 10 years now working on high impedance antennas that the high impedance antennas would never have gotten where it has advanced to today without the very same passion you are seeing in the radials exchanges. I just got off the phone with a good friend asking advice on a new antenna design. My parting comment to him was "You need to be thinking outside the box". Folks, that is exactly what is going on here is thinking outside the box and I for one have enjoyed it all. Lee K7TJR OR _______________________________________________ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK